Mike Boyle on Thoracic Mobility vs. Rotary Strength: What You're Getting Wrong
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In this episode of The Strength Coach Podcast, host Anthony Renner sits down with renowned strength coach Mike Boyle to dissect the critical distinction between thoracic spine mobility and rotary strength—a topic that has sparked debate online. Boyle critiques the tendency of some fitness influencers to make false comparisons between mobility drills and strength exercises, arguing that such comparisons are misleading and manipulative. He emphasizes that both types of training have value when used appropriately: mobility work in warmups and strength training in performance sessions. The conversation expands into broader themes of training for results over training for the sake of training, advocating for a focus on measurable outcomes like improved speed, power, and injury resilience. Boyle also discusses the importance of tempo and eccentric control, while cautioning against overcomplicating programs with excessive volume or overly rigid protocols. He shares insights on program design, including how to tailor training to sport-specific needs—such as prioritizing hip and groin work for hockey players or rotator cuff stability for baseball players—while maintaining foundational movement patterns. The episode closes with reflections on the role of isometrics and slow-tempo training in joint health and injury prevention, especially for older clients.
Differentiate between thoracic mobility (warmup) and rotary strength (performance) to avoid misleading comparisons.
Train for results—improved speed, power, and injury resilience—not just to accumulate training volume.
Use the 'does it hurt?' test as a primary clearance for exercises, not rigid movement standards.
Tailor programs to sport-specific needs: prioritize rotator cuff work for baseball players, hip/groin work for hockey players.
Slow tempo and isometrics can enhance joint health and recovery, especially for older or injured clients.
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Introduction and Sponsorship
Anthony Renner introduces the episode, welcomes listeners to The Strength Coach Podcast, and promotes Perform Better’s upcoming functional training summits and free trial offers for strengthcoach.com and mbsc.tv.
The Problem with Comparing Mobility and Strength
“It's like comparing a posterior capsule hip stretch to a hip strength exercise and saying one is waste of time and the other is really good for you. They could both be good for you.”
Training for Results, Not Just Training
“If you're not getting stronger, your training program doesn't work. We train too much. We train to train too much.”
Sport-Specific Programming and Individualization
“If I'm a baseball player, it's probably rotator cuff. If I'm a hockey player, it's probably hip and groin. And so I've got to think these might be the areas where I decide I'm going to deviate.”
The Role of Tempo and Eccentrics
Boyle discusses the evolution of tempo training, noting that while slow eccentrics are valuable, extreme tempos (like 8-second lifts) are impractical for adult clients and better suited for captive populations.
“If you're not getting stronger, your training program doesn't work. We train too much. We train to train too much.”
“It's like comparing a posterior capsule hip stretch to a hip strength exercise and saying one is waste of time and the other is really good for you. They could both be good for you.”
“You can have your opinion about that. You can say, okay, I don't like this thoracic mobility exercise. But then to compare it to a... I guess what I would call a thoracic rotational strength exercise, I looked at that and thought they're just not comparable items.”
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Mike Boyle
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Anthony Renner
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Pete Dupuis
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Vinny Toledo
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Perform Better
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Gary Gray
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Charlie Weingroff
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