How to Stop Dysregulaton Before it Stops You – EJ and Tarah Kerwin
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In this powerful episode of The Save the Marriage Podcast, Dr. Lee Bauckham sits down with EJ and Tara Kerwin, founders of Relationship Renovation and hosts of the Relationship Renovation podcast. The couple shares their deeply personal journey—from a passionate marriage built on professional expertise and love, to a devastating breakdown during the birth of their twins and the overwhelming stress of parenting with colic. Their story becomes the foundation for their work: helping couples recognize and regulate emotional dysregulation before it destroys relationships. They explain that dysregulation—triggered by fight, flight, freeze, or fawn responses—is not a character flaw but a natural nervous system reaction, often rooted in past trauma and unmet needs. Through real-life examples like the 'burnt toast' moment, they illustrate how small triggers can activate deep emotional wounds. The core of their approach centers on self-awareness, using tools like body scans, code words for time-outs, and cognitive restructuring to pause, reflect, and repair. They emphasize that emotional regulation isn't about suppressing feelings but about understanding them, taking personal accountability, and rebuilding connection through curiosity and compassion. The episode concludes with a strong message: resilience isn't returned after hardship—it’s built through it—and relationships thrive not when they’re perfect, but when both partners commit to growth, even when it’s hard. Key takeaways include: 1) Dysregulation is a normal nervous system response, not a personal failure; 2) Use physical cues (like flushed face or a 'bowling ball' sensation) to recognize your own dysregulation; 3) Develop a personal code word for time-outs to prevent reactive escalation; 4) Replace assumptions with facts and explore your own emotional triggers; 5) Curiosity is the gateway to empathy and repair; 6) Emotional regulation is a skill, not a trait—learnable with practice; 7) Systemic change requires both partners to take responsibility; 8) The most powerful relationships are built not in ease, but through intentional, repeated repair after rupture.
Dysregulation is a natural nervous system response, not a sign of weakness.
Use physical cues (flushed face, pressure in chest) to recognize your own dysregulation.
Develop a personal code word to signal a time-out and prevent reactive escalation.
Replace assumptions with facts: separate what happened from what you’re interpreting.
Curiosity is the path to empathy—ask 'What’s happening inside me?' not 'What’s wrong with you?'
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Introduction to Relationship Renovation
Dr. Lee Bauckham introduces the episode and welcomes EJ and Tara Kerwin, founders of Relationship Renovation, highlighting their mission to help couples build emotional safety and intimacy through vulnerability and research-backed tools.
The Personal Journey: From Love to Breakdown
“I was like, oh my gosh, that happened. And I wasn't, I was 38. And so I'm like, oh my gosh. Okay. Like this is amazing. We're being so blessed.”
The 'Burnt Toast' Moment: A Turning Point
“I'm not good for you. I'm not good for me. Like if I don't take some kind of time out right now, like I... will end up hating you right now and I don't want our kids to be around that.”
Understanding Dysregulation: Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn
The Kerwins explain dysregulation as a nervous system state triggered by perceived danger—even in relationships—using terms like fight, flight, freeze, and fawn. They emphasize that dysregulation isn't a flaw but a survival mechanism.
The Body Knows: Somatic Cues and Self-Awareness
“I could feel like my breath getting constricted. Like it just, even just the memories, it brings it up.”
“I'm not good for you. I'm not good for me. Like if I don't take some kind of time out right now, like I... will end up hating you right now and I don't want our kids to be around that.”
“It's not returning to resilience, it's building in more resilience by going through those difficult times.”
“Most things that trigger you... are neutral until you assign value to them.”
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