Two Friends on the Emmaus Road | Scott Hahn w/ Jeff Cavins

In this deeply personal and theological episode of The Road to Emmaus, Dr. Scott Hahn welcomes his longtime friend and fellow Catholic convert, Jeff Cavins, for a reflective conversation spanning over three decades of friendship, spiritual formation, and shared ministry. The dialogue centers on the transformative power of redemptive suffering, a cornerstone of Catholic teaching that both men have lived and taught. Drawing from Scripture—particularly Colossians 1:24, Hebrews, and the life of Christ—they explore how suffering, when offered in union with Jesus, becomes a path to deeper communion with God, personal sanctification, and participation in Christ’s mission. Hahn and Cavins recount pivotal moments in their lives—Cavins’ physical pain and spiritual breakthrough during a late-night prayer, Hahn’s own journey from Protestantism to Catholicism—illustrating how grace often works through suffering. They also reflect on their complementary ministries: Hahn’s academic depth and Cavins’ pastoral accessibility, both rooted in a shared commitment to making Scripture and Catholic truth accessible to everyday believers. The episode concludes with a powerful prayer for listeners to embrace suffering not as a burden but as an invitation to divine intimacy.