Erick Erickson Show: S15 EP68: Hour 3 – The Post-Liberal Consensus Collapses
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In this episode of The Erick Erickson Show, Erickson dissects the collapse of the so-called 'post-liberal consensus'—a movement on the right that sought to align with populist leaders like Viktor Orban and J.D. Vance, believing they could control or shape Donald Trump’s agenda. He argues that this consensus was never a true coalition, as it was built on false assumptions about Trump’s malleability and Orban’s ideological purity. The recent defeat of Orban in Hungary, followed by a victory for the anti-corruption, anti-immigration, and free-market conservative Peter Magyar, exposes the fragility of this post-liberal project. Erickson critiques both the right’s romanticization of Orban and the left’s mischaracterization of Magyar as a progressive, highlighting how media narratives ignore key issues like immigration and corruption. He also turns to broader themes: the economic implications of oil tankers rerouting to the U.S. due to Middle East instability, the growing backlash against AI due to fearmongering by its own CEOs, and the real but overstated environmental concerns around AI data centers. He draws a historical parallel to the French workers sabotaging machines in the 19th century, warning that AI’s existential threats are amplified by the very leaders who should be calming fears. Finally, he condemns the politicization of the Artemis II mission, criticizing the left for attributing the success of astronauts Victor Glover and Christina Koch to DEI rather than merit, calling it a demeaning reduction of their achievements.
The post-liberal consensus was never a real coalition—it was built on the illusion that Trump and Orban could be controlled for ideological ends.
Viktor Orban’s defeat in Hungary reveals that even authoritarian populists can be voted out, challenging the myth of their invincibility.
Peter Magyar’s victory was based on anti-corruption and anti-immigration platforms, not progressive values—contradicting media narratives that frame the election as a liberal-democratic showdown.
AI fears are being fueled by the CEOs of AI companies themselves, who exaggerate the threat to justify expansion and regulatory capture.
Environmental concerns about AI (energy, water) are often based on flawed or outdated studies, and many AI firms are building their own sustainable power infrastructure.
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The Collapse of the Post-Liberal Consensus
“The post-liberal consensus never was a consensus and it's collapsing before our eyes. And frankly, that's not a bad thing for freedom.”
Orban’s Defeat and Magyar’s Rise: A Populist Reckoning
“Peter Magyar stayed far away from issues dear to progressives like LGBT rights. He campaigned mainly on his biggest asset. He is not Victor Orban.”
The Myth of Trump as an Empty Vessel
“They presumed he was an empty suit, and he had no real ambitions, and they could control him. And Donald Trump is someone anybody who knows Donald Trump knows he's a bull in a china shop. You're not going to control Donald Trump.”
AI Fearmongering and the Backlash Against Data Centers
“The people who say the most outlandish stuff about AI are Sam Altman, Darian Imoti, and the other CEOs of the AI companies. You can't help but be a little bit concerned about AI.”
“To watch progressives look at the Artemis II crew... have a woman and a black man and say that's a success of DEI... it demeans them and their qualifications.”
“When the AI CEOs are telling people it's going to be the end of humanity, it's going to be the end of jobs, it's going to be the end of white-collar workers, you kind of understand when people are turning violent against it.”
“The post-liberal consensus never was a consensus and it's collapsing before our eyes. And frankly, that's not a bad thing for freedom.”
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Erick Erickson
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Peter Magyar
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