In Waves & War: Marcus & Amber Capone On Psychedelic Treatment For Veteran PTSD, Rebuilding Life After War & The Mission To Heal A Generation

The Rich Roll Podcast2h 23mApril 20, 2026

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Marcus and Amber Capone, a military couple and founders of the nonprofit VETS, share their powerful journey from the depths of PTSD, trauma, and marital collapse to profound healing through Ibogaine-assisted psychedelic therapy. Marcus, a former Navy SEAL, struggled with severe PTSD, traumatic brain injury (TBI), and depression after years of combat deployments, while Amber fought to preserve their family amid escalating alcohol use and emotional disconnection. After years of failed treatments and near-suicidal thoughts, Marcus underwent an Ibogaine ceremony in Mexico, which catalyzed a radical transformation—facilitating emotional reconnection, neurological rewiring, and a renewed sense of purpose. Amber describes the experience as a resurrection of their love story, underscoring the deep emotional and spiritual restoration that followed. The Capones emphasize that healing is not a one-time event but a lifelong process of integration, supported by community, trust, and medical oversight. Their work with VETS and Tara Mind now focuses on expanding access to psychedelic-assisted therapies through research, policy advocacy, and innovation, driven by the belief that healing one life can ripple across families and generations. The conversation highlights the urgent mental health crisis among veterans and first responders, with suicide rates far exceeding combat deaths, demanding a paradigm shift from symptom suppression to deep, holistic healing. Rich Roll, reflecting on his own recent Ibogaine experience, frames the discussion as a call to action for more compassionate, evidence-based mental health care. The episode stresses the importance of immediate crisis resources like the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline and the role of medically supervised IV ketamine as a stabilizing intervention for acute suicidal ideation—before deeper psychedelic work can be safely pursued. The Capones advocate for regulated, expert-guided access to psychedelics, warning against DIY approaches, and champion integration coaching, policy change, and insurance-driven models to scale impact. Ultimately, the episode presents a vision of healing not as individual triumph, but as collective transformation, rooted in surrender, science, and service.

Key Takeaways
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Trauma and PTSD have deep neurological roots, and healing requires addressing both the mind and brain through integrative, evidence-based approaches.

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Ibogaine and other psychedelics can catalyze profound healing through emotional release and neural rewiring, but are not one-time fixes—long-term integration is essential.

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Healing is a lifelong journey that requires community, medical supervision, and support systems to sustain transformation and prevent relapse.

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Immediate, evidence-based interventions like IV ketamine and the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline are critical for stabilizing individuals in acute crisis before deeper healing can occur.

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Regulated, expert-guided access to psychedelic therapies is vital—self-administration is dangerous and ineffective, and policy change is needed to scale access.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Sponsor: Rivian – Driving Flow and Connection

Rich Roll introduces Rivian as a sponsor, highlighting its all-electric vehicles' ability to deliver effortless, quiet, and luxurious driving—symbolizing the state of flow he experienced during his own Ibogaine journey.

2:16
4 min

The Breaking Point: A Marriage on the Brink

I thought it was over. I'd come for my birthday. I called my parents collectively and said, this is it. I told my dad I was quitting and he just said, you know, you're not disappointing me. You're not quitting. You're choosing your children.

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6:00
6 min

The Ibogaine Journey: From Despair to Reunion

When he came around the corner, it truly was like being reunited with someone that I hadn't seen in over 15 years.

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12:00
82 min

Healing the Brain, Rebuilding Life: The Science and Service

I had somebody recently who hasn't been able to smell for seven years smelled at the retreat... He just turned around and started bawling. He said, I haven't smelled anything in seven years. He's like, that's the most beautiful thing I've ever smelled in my life.

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1:29:25
6 min

The Intensity and Unpredictability of Ibogaine Experience

It was extremely uncomfortable to the point of when is this going to end? And there was a lot of darkness, and the hallucinations and the visuals after four spoonfuls of this stuff were coming at me so relentlessly, but I couldn't fixate on any of them and none of them were recognizable.

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High-Impact Quotes
The ripple effect continues across future generations that aren't even born yet. And take somebody who has inherited a generational trauma wound, that's spilling into their kids and then it gets perpetuated. And on, and on, and then to be the intervention and say no more. This ends. Is there any more powerful thing that you could do with your life?
Amber Capone139:43
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When he came around the corner, it truly was like being reunited with someone that I hadn't seen in over 15 years.
Amber Capone2:17
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My last experience was like six hours of nothing but pure bliss, unconditional love, complete kind of connection the whole time, right? And so that's where I'm at now, at least with that medicine.
Marcus Capone92:31
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Speakers

Host

Rich Roll

Guests

Marcus CaponeAmber Capone
Topics Discussed
psychedelic-assisted therapy95%Suicidal Crisis Intervention95%psychedelic therapy for PTSD95%military trauma and brain injury90%veteran mental health crisis90%healing through surrender and connection88%Ketamine Therapy For Depression88%integration and post-treatment support85%Psychedelic Treatment Accessibility80%
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Amber Capone

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Ibogaine

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Rich Roll

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VETS

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Stanford Brain Stimulation Lab

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Tara Mind

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Nolan Williams

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Buiti tradition

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Rivian

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