Masculinism and Feminism | Interview: Helen Lewis
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Helen Lewis, staff writer at The Atlantic, joins Jonah Goldberg to dissect the rise of 'masculinism'—a reactionary movement that frames feminism as a societal collapse, blaming women's empowerment for everything from declining male well-being to national decline. Lewis argues that while some concerns about young men’s struggles—like rising suicide rates, gambling addiction, and disengagement—are valid and deserve serious attention, they are being weaponized by a toxic blend of misogyny, performative edginess, and ideological extremism. She dismantles the idea that the 'great feminization' of society is a real threat, pointing out that women remain dramatically underrepresented in top political and corporate roles. The conversation reveals a deeper cultural crisis: both sides of the culture war have turned identity into a zero-sum game, where progress for one group is seen as loss for another. Lewis emphasizes that the real issue isn’t gender balance, but the erosion of institutions that once socialized men and women into shared civic life. She concludes that the most dangerous myth isn’t that feminism has gone too far—but that men are inherently incapable of being nurtured, disciplined, or emotionally intelligent without being 'emasculated.' The episode is a sharp, nuanced critique of how fear of change gets dressed up as tradition.
Young men’s struggles with mental health, risk-taking, and disengagement require gender-specific solutions—not reactionary masculinism.
The claim that 'feminization' has weakened America is undermined by the fact that women remain vastly underrepresented in power structures.
The most dangerous masculinist rhetoric isn't about policy—it's about performative edginess, signaling tribal loyalty through misogyny.
Feminism's real challenge isn't overreach—it's the institutionalization of activism that resists victory, turning movements into self-sustaining bureaucracies.
The idea that men are inherently violent and need to be 'civilized' is more accurate than the myth that women are naturally empathetic and nurturing.
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The Rise of Masculinism and the Myth of the 'Great Feminization'
Jonah Goldberg introduces Helen Lewis and sets the stage for a deep dive into the growing backlash against feminism, which Lewis terms 'masculinism'—a movement that blames feminism for societal decline, male unhappiness, and the erosion of traditional masculinity.
The Problem with 'Feminine' as a Pejorative
“In what world was the coronavirus response feminine when it was led by Anthony Fauci, Donald Trump? In California by Gavin Newsom. In Canada by Justin Trudeau. What you're essentially doing is saying that even if men are doing things, if you don't like them, they're feminine.”
The 'Based Ritual' and the Performance of Misogyny
“It's a kind of shibboleth, right? It's a way to sort of signal that you're part of a tribe. But... part of it is also a more generically conservative lament about how modernity has gone down the wrong path.”
The Hollowing of American Feminism
Lewis argues that American feminism has become hollow, reduced to slogans and abortion rights, with little institutional depth or policy ambition, making it easy to caricature.
The Real Crisis: The Collapse of Institutions That Socialize Men
“I think a lot of this stuff that we're looking at with the masculinist stuff actually stems from a kind of masculine insecurity because these people are not, these men are not properly socialized.”
“The revealed preference of lots of very leading women in the conservative movement is that they do like being in public life. They like people listening to them. They like having the vote.”
“Civilizations rise or fall on how well we regulate and civilize young men because young men are so much more violent.”
“In what world was the coronavirus response feminine when it was led by Anthony Fauci, Donald Trump? In California by Gavin Newsom. In Canada by Justin Trudeau. What you're essentially doing is saying that even if men are doing things, if you don't like them, they're feminine.”
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