Israel on Trial | Interview: Roy K. Altman
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In this episode of The Remnant Podcast, host Jonah Goldberg interviews Judge Roy K. Altman, a U.S. District Judge for the Southern District of Florida and author of the book *Israel on Trial: Examining the History, the Evidence, and the Law*. Altman argues that the six most common accusations against Israel—genocide, apartheid, settler colonialism, land theft, false imprisonment, and occupation—are legally unfounded when examined through a rigorous, adversarial legal framework. Drawing on historical evidence, international law, and personal experiences from leading judicial delegations to Israel, Altman contends that the Jewish people have a continuous, indigenous presence in the land stretching back over 3,000 years, refuting the claim that Israel is a colonial project. He dismantles the genocide charge by highlighting Israel’s unprecedented civilian warning systems, massive evacuations, and adherence to the laws of war, even in urban combat. Altman also challenges the apartheid narrative by pointing to the full civil rights and political participation of Israel’s 2 million Arab Muslim citizens, and critiques the UN’s disproportionate focus on Israel compared to other human rights abusers. He concludes that Israel’s legitimacy is firmly grounded in both legal and historical criteria, and that recent geopolitical shifts—such as Gulf states aligning with Israel and Lebanon’s crackdown on Hezbollah—signal a transformative realignment in the Middle East. Goldberg affirms Altman’s core argument: while Israel is not perfect, it holds itself to a far higher standard than any other nation, and the global double standard in judging its actions is both unjust and unsustainable.
Apply a legal, adversarial framework to assess claims against Israel—just as courts do in criminal trials—to cut through emotion and arrive at truth.
Israel’s 3,000-year continuous presence in the land, documented by ancient artifacts like the Merneptah Stele, refutes the claim of settler colonialism.
Israel’s civilian warning systems and mass evacuations (e.g., 1.2 million from Rafah) are incompatible with the definition of genocide.
Israel’s Arab citizens enjoy full civil rights, including voting, legal professions, military service, and representation in the Supreme Court—proof against apartheid.
The Palestinian state fails the Montevideo criteria for statehood: no defined borders, no single legitimate governing authority, and no international consensus.
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Introducing Judge Roy K. Altman and the Legal Framework of 'Israel on Trial'
“We put Israel on trial. There's six chapters, one for each claim. Each chapter deploys the relevant legal methodology. And at the end of the chapter, you get a judgment about whether Israel is in fact guilty of the charge that's levied against it.”
Debunking the 'Settler Colonialism' Claim: Jewish Indigeneity and Historical Continuity
“If we care about the rights of indigenous people at all... then we have to recognize that the greatest decolonization struggle of the 20th century was the decolonization struggle to bring Jewish sovereignty back to the land of Israel.”
The Palestinian State Paradox: Why the 'State' Doesn't Exist Under International Law
“The Palestinians are actually governed by three authorities... It fails the Montevideo test for a Palestinian state, and yet you have over 140 countries in the world arguing that the Palestinian state is a legitimate state, despite the fact that it plainly has always met all four elements of the Montevideo test.”
The Apartheid Myth: Civil Rights and Equality in Israel
Altman refutes the apartheid charge by highlighting the full civil rights of Israel’s 2 million Arab Muslim citizens. He cites their overrepresentation in medical schools, presence in the Supreme Court and IDF, access to all public services, and the state-funded Muslim prayer room in the National Library. He contrasts this with the reality of apartheid in South Africa and Jim Crow America, showing that Israel’s system is the opposite of segregation.
Genocide Under International Law: Why Israel’s Conduct Is Incompatible
“Israel's warning system... is not only definitionally inconsistent with genocide. Why do they say that? Because as I said... Would they ever have warned Jewish children and Jewish civilians against going into Auschwitz? The question is absurd just to ask it.”
“If we care about the rights of indigenous people at all... then we have to recognize that the greatest decolonization struggle of the 20th century was the decolonization struggle to bring Jewish sovereignty back to the land of Israel.”
“Would they ever have warned Jewish children and Jewish civilians against going into Auschwitz? The question is absurd just to ask it.”
“Israel's warning system... is not only definitionally inconsistent with genocide. Why do they say that? Because as I said... Would they ever have warned Jewish children and Jewish civilians against going into Auschwitz? The question is absurd just to ask it.”
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