Circling Liberalism’s Wagons | Interview: Adrian Wooldridge
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In this episode of The Remnant, Jonah Goldberg interviews Adrian Wooldridge, global business columnist at Bloomberg and author of 'The Revolutionary Center: The Lost Genius of American Liberalism.' Wooldridge presents a broad, capacious definition of liberalism as a dynamic, self-adjusting philosophy rooted in individualism, tolerance, and limitations on power—distinct from both modern left-wing progressivism and classical free-market conservatism. He argues that liberalism, while historically tied to Christian civilization, is not uniquely Western and can flourish in other cultural contexts. The conversation explores liberalism’s vulnerabilities today, including the erosion of individualism due to tech monopolies, the crisis of liberal education, and the failure to manage immigration and assimilation effectively. Wooldridge contends that liberalism must evolve to address these challenges without abandoning its core principles, advocating for a renewed cultural commitment to liberal values and institutional self-confidence. Goldberg pushes back on the idea of liberalism as a coherent theory, suggesting it functions more as a living culture than a rigid ideology, and questions whether the book’s expansive definition risks a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy. The discussion culminates in a shared recognition that liberalism’s survival depends not on doctrinal purity but on sustained, self-critical conversation and civilizational confidence.
Liberalism is best understood as a living culture of individualism, tolerance, and limited power—not a rigid ideology.
Core liberal values (individualism, tolerance, limits on power) are under threat globally from authoritarianism and ideological extremism.
Liberalism must adapt to modern challenges like tech monopolies, information manipulation, and immigration without abandoning its foundational principles.
The erosion of liberal education and the rise of an alienated intelligentsia are critical threats to liberal society.
A renewed commitment to liberal institutions and self-confident gatekeeping is necessary to preserve shared facts and democratic discourse.
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Introducing the Lost Genius of Liberalism
“Liberalism is a belief in freedom of debate, limitations on power, individual rights, individual self-improvement. It takes different forms with regard to the size of the state over the years. Sometimes it's big states, sometimes it's small states. But it is always about the individual acting to make the best of their lives within a constitutional arrangement.”
Defining Liberalism: Three Non-Negotiables
“The liberal tradition has always been about a very rugged conception of the individual, not just as a victim, not just as a shopper, but as somebody who fights for his own or her own corner and is engaged in a process of self-improvement, self-discovery.”
Liberalism as Culture, Not Theory
Goldberg challenges Wooldridge’s theoretical coherence, arguing liberalism functions more as a culture than a doctrine. They discuss how liberal democracies often violate liberal theory (e.g., federalism, religious neutrality) but still operate as liberal societies due to shared cultural pre-commitments.
The Crisis of Liberal Education and the Alienated Intelligentsia
“I don't think a liberal social order can survive if it has an alienated intelligentsia whose role in life, who sees their role in life is to criticize everything according to some preconceived ideological position which doesn't have anything to do with renewing the bonds of society.”
Liberalism’s Limits: Tech, Markets, and the Public Good
“The essence of a liberal society is that we have educated, self-conscious, self-improving individuals who can make sensible choices in their own short-term and long-term interests. And what we're getting with the tech companies is a fragmentation of attention spans, a reduction of people's ability to read, write and think.”
“The essence of a liberal society is that we have educated, self-conscious, self-improving individuals who can make sensible choices in their own short-term and long-term interests. And what we're getting with the tech companies is a fragmentation of attention spans, a reduction of people's ability to read, write and think.”
“I don't think a liberal social order can survive if it has an alienated intelligentsia whose role in life, who sees their role in life is to criticize everything according to some preconceived ideological position which doesn't have anything to do with renewing the bonds of society.”
“Liberalism is under attack in a way that it hasn't been since the 1930s, and sometimes from intellectuals within our own tradition as in the 1930s. And I want to say, no, liberalism is a great thing. It has a great history. It can't just be reduced to big government. It can't just be reduced to free markets.”
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