409 – Runnin’ Down a Ring
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In this immersive four-part deep dive, hosts Matt and Alan Sisto unravel the intricate narrative of 'The Hunt for the Ring' from *Unfinished Tales*, focusing on Sauron's desperate pursuit of the One Ring after Gollum’s capture in 3017. They examine the timeline inconsistencies between *The Tale of Years* and the narrative, attributing them to Tolkien’s editorial adjustments for narrative cohesion. The episode highlights Gollum’s paradoxical nature—both a pawn and a force of will driven by obsession—making him an unpredictable asset to Sauron’s cause. Central to the discussion is Saruman’s betrayal, which cripples Sauron’s intelligence network and allows him to manipulate the Witch King into chasing Gandalf instead of the Ring’s true location. The Nazgûl’s terrifying advance into the Shire, culminating in their arrival on September 23rd, is analyzed for its psychological impact, with the hosts emphasizing how fear, not force, breaks the Shire’s defenses. The episode also grapples with the implausibility of the Nazgûl covering 500 miles in under 40 hours, suggesting it’s a narrative 'fix it in post' moment due to the text’s unfinished state. The hosts reflect on the tragic heroism of the Dunedain Rangers at Sarn Ford and the poignant irony of Frodo’s birthday celebration amid looming doom. As the episode concludes, they champion the untapped potential of Tolkien’s appendices—especially the fall of Arnor, Gondor’s civil war, and characters like Queen Beruthiel—calling for future adaptations that honor depth over nostalgia. They advocate for new casting, oppose AI de-aging, and celebrate the podcast’s community, including Patreon supporters at the Cairdance tier, wrapping up with playful whimsy about NFL scouting reports for the Nazgûl.
Sauron’s intelligence network fails due to Saruman’s betrayal and the Dúnedain’s vigilance, forcing reliance on the Nazgûl as both spies and weapons.
Gollum’s obsession with the Ring grants him an indomitable will, making him unpredictable and resistant to Sauron’s control despite being a pawn.
The Nazgûl’s 500-mile journey in under 40 hours is physically implausible, likely a narrative 'fix it in post' moment due to the unfinished nature of the text.
The Shire’s fall is not due to military force but psychological terror—highlighting fear as a weapon and the vulnerability of innocence.
The Dunedain Rangers’ defense of Sarn Ford is a heroic yet doomed stand, symbolizing the inevitability of Sauron’s rise and the fading of the old guard.
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Welcome to the North Wing: David Smith's Tolkien Journey
“I read it like 10 or 15 times that first year. That's amazing.”
The Hunt for the Ring: Gollum’s Capture and Sauron’s Strategy
“He was ultimately indomitable, except by death, as Sauron guessed, both from his halfling nature and from a cause which Sauron did not fully comprehend.”
Sauron’s Failed Intelligence and the Rise of the Nazgûl
The hosts analyze Sauron’s growing desperation after learning of Gollum’s capture by Aragorn. With his spies failing due to Saruman’s treachery and the Dúnedain’s vigilance, Sauron turns to his most powerful weapon: the nine Nazgûl. The episode explores their nature—utterly subservient to Sauron through the Rings of Power—and their terrifying, unavoidable presence. The hosts debate why Sauron sends them on a dual mission: attacking Thranduil’s realm to recapture Gollum and openly attacking Gondor to disguise their true purpose. They also discuss the Nazgûl’s weakness—being too visible and terrifying to remain hidden.
The Implausible Speed of the Nazgûl's March
“This is one where I feel like Tolkien would have fixed this if he did end up publishing it because it just doesn't feel possible.”
Saruman’s Deception and the Witch King’s Misguided Hunt
“He would have told all that he knew under less threat. Yea, yea, verily I can tell you, lord...”
“Kamul ran a four point three, but he's afraid of water. So if it's a rainy game, he's not going to be able to come out of the locker room.”
“I don't want to see actors from the first films de-aged with AI. It seems like you're not getting Vigo DH. Yeah. He said he's not.”
“He was ultimately indomitable, except by death, as Sauron guessed, both from his halfling nature and from a cause which Sauron did not fully comprehend.”
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Matt
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Gollum
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Witch King
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Sauron
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Aragorn
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Saruman
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Nazgûl
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David Smith
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Grima Wormtongue
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Alan
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