“Fat Swim” and Literature’s Fatphobia Problem
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In this episode of The New Yorker Radio Hour, host Jennifer Wilson interviews author Emma Copley Eisenberg about her new short story collection, *Fat Swim*, a work that confronts fatphobia in American culture and literature with bold, intimate storytelling. Eisenberg explores how fatness is portrayed—or erased—in fiction, using stories like 'Fat Swim' and 'Beauty' to examine identity, bodily autonomy, and the societal pressures to conform. She critiques the literary world’s reliance on reductive terms like 'overweight' and 'obese,' arguing that such language flattens characters and reinforces harmful stereotypes. The conversation extends to the cultural impact of drugs like Ozempic, questioning whether weight loss driven by societal expectations undermines the fat liberation movement. Eisenberg also reflects on her own identity as a Philadelphia writer, drawing on the city’s sensory intensity and interconnectedness to ground her stories in a lived, communal reality. Her striking billboard campaign—featuring a submerged, voluptuous figure with the slogan 'your gut is a terrible thing to lose'—serves as a provocative meditation on the contradictions between bodily wisdom and societal shame.
Fatphobia in literature often manifests through reductive, medicalized language that fails to capture the full humanity of fat characters.
The portrayal of bodily change—especially in stories like 'Beauty'—reveals the economic and social consequences of fatphobia in real-world contexts.
The rise of GLP-1 drugs like Ozempic raises complex ethical questions about body autonomy versus societal conformity, challenging the foundations of the fat liberation movement.
Eisenberg’s work centers on representing the world as it is—including oppression—while refusing to offer utopian escapes, instead embracing complexity and contradiction.
Philadelphia’s sensory, interconnected culture serves as both a literal and symbolic backdrop for stories that explore identity, visibility, and belonging.
Introducing Emma Copley Eisenberg and *Fat Swim*
David Remnick introduces Jennifer Wilson and her conversation with Emma Copley Eisenberg, author of the new short story collection *Fat Swim*. The episode sets the stage by highlighting Eisenberg’s role as a leading voice on fatphobia in literature and culture.
The Story of Alice and the Fat Women at the Pool
“And she's like, yeah. And I think it's an interesting moment because leg hair is not forbidden. It's not like I cannot have long leg hair. You know, it's certainly part of feminist reclamation movements of like, I can have whatever body hair I want, etc. But it is still this very intimate thing where we don't usually touch each other's... leg hair, I guess, or body hair at all.”
Beauty: Fatphobia and the Material Consequences of Appearance
“The people that are associated with a beauty brand become not just like spokespeople, but like physical manifestations of what the brand means.”
Ozempic, Body Autonomy, and the Fat Liberation Movement
“I think there are a few different sort of views on that. One is indeed that, like, taking Ozempic or any other DLP one and becoming smaller to conform to a societal norm is counter to the fat liberation movement.”
The Problem with 'Overweight' and 'Obese' in Literature
“To say the character is overweight, I have no further visual information. I have no further insight into, like, their presence or the way they would be in a room, which is, like, what I care about as a reader.”
“I wanted to sort of think about this idea of like the gut. Everyone's always like, trust your gut. Right? And that's where the wisdom is supposed to live... But at the same time, our gut is disgusting and something to be lost and made smaller.”
“I think there are a few different sort of views on that. One is indeed that, like, taking Ozempic or any other DLP one and becoming smaller to conform to a societal norm is counter to the fat liberation movement.”
“To say the character is overweight, I have no further visual information. I have no further insight into, like, their presence or the way they would be in a room, which is, like, what I care about as a reader.”
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