“Fat Swim” and Literature’s Fatphobia Problem

The New Yorker Radio Hour19mApril 28, 2026

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In this episode of The New Yorker Radio Hour, host Jennifer Wilson interviews author Emma Copley Eisenberg about her new short story collection, *Fat Swim*, a work that confronts fatphobia in American culture and literature with bold, intimate storytelling. Eisenberg explores how fatness is portrayed—or erased—in fiction, using stories like 'Fat Swim' and 'Beauty' to examine identity, bodily autonomy, and the societal pressures to conform. She critiques the literary world’s reliance on reductive terms like 'overweight' and 'obese,' arguing that such language flattens characters and reinforces harmful stereotypes. The conversation extends to the cultural impact of drugs like Ozempic, questioning whether weight loss driven by societal expectations undermines the fat liberation movement. Eisenberg also reflects on her own identity as a Philadelphia writer, drawing on the city’s sensory intensity and interconnectedness to ground her stories in a lived, communal reality. Her striking billboard campaign—featuring a submerged, voluptuous figure with the slogan 'your gut is a terrible thing to lose'—serves as a provocative meditation on the contradictions between bodily wisdom and societal shame.

Key Takeaways
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Fatphobia in literature often manifests through reductive, medicalized language that fails to capture the full humanity of fat characters.

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The portrayal of bodily change—especially in stories like 'Beauty'—reveals the economic and social consequences of fatphobia in real-world contexts.

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The rise of GLP-1 drugs like Ozempic raises complex ethical questions about body autonomy versus societal conformity, challenging the foundations of the fat liberation movement.

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Eisenberg’s work centers on representing the world as it is—including oppression—while refusing to offer utopian escapes, instead embracing complexity and contradiction.

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Philadelphia’s sensory, interconnected culture serves as both a literal and symbolic backdrop for stories that explore identity, visibility, and belonging.

Chapters
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2 min

Introducing Emma Copley Eisenberg and *Fat Swim*

David Remnick introduces Jennifer Wilson and her conversation with Emma Copley Eisenberg, author of the new short story collection *Fat Swim*. The episode sets the stage by highlighting Eisenberg’s role as a leading voice on fatphobia in literature and culture.

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The Story of Alice and the Fat Women at the Pool

And she's like, yeah. And I think it's an interesting moment because leg hair is not forbidden. It's not like I cannot have long leg hair. You know, it's certainly part of feminist reclamation movements of like, I can have whatever body hair I want, etc. But it is still this very intimate thing where we don't usually touch each other's... leg hair, I guess, or body hair at all.

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5 min

Beauty: Fatphobia and the Material Consequences of Appearance

The people that are associated with a beauty brand become not just like spokespeople, but like physical manifestations of what the brand means.

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5 min

Ozempic, Body Autonomy, and the Fat Liberation Movement

I think there are a few different sort of views on that. One is indeed that, like, taking Ozempic or any other DLP one and becoming smaller to conform to a societal norm is counter to the fat liberation movement.

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5 min

The Problem with 'Overweight' and 'Obese' in Literature

To say the character is overweight, I have no further visual information. I have no further insight into, like, their presence or the way they would be in a room, which is, like, what I care about as a reader.

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High-Impact Quotes
I wanted to sort of think about this idea of like the gut. Everyone's always like, trust your gut. Right? And that's where the wisdom is supposed to live... But at the same time, our gut is disgusting and something to be lost and made smaller.
Emma Copley Eisenberg18:28
Viral: 92.0
I think there are a few different sort of views on that. One is indeed that, like, taking Ozempic or any other DLP one and becoming smaller to conform to a societal norm is counter to the fat liberation movement.
Emma Copley Eisenberg6:20
Viral: 90.0
To say the character is overweight, I have no further visual information. I have no further insight into, like, their presence or the way they would be in a room, which is, like, what I care about as a reader.
Emma Copley Eisenberg8:41
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Hosts

David RemnickJennifer Wilson

Guest

Emma Copley Eisenberg
Topics Discussed
Fatphobia in Literature95%Body Autonomy and Medicalization90%The Role of Language in Representing Fatness88%Fat Liberation Movement87%The Body as a Site of Knowledge and Shame86%Philadelphia as a Literary Setting85%Ozempic and Social Pressure83%Internalized Fatphobia80%
People & Brands

Emma Copley Eisenberg

person

12xPositive

Philadelphia

place

10xPositive

Fat Swim

book

10xPositive

Jennifer Wilson

person

8xPositive

The New Yorker

other

6xPositive

Ozempic

product

5xNeutral

Jonathan Franzen

person

5xNegative

GLP-1

product

4xNeutral

David Remnick

person

4xNeutral

Zadie Smith

person

3xNeutral

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