Stop Hiring SDRs and Start Building Real Partner Ecosystems Instead with Keith Bossier | Ep. #314
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In this episode of The Modern Selling Podcast, host Mario Martinez sits down with Keith Bossier, Vice President of Sales at S-Docs, to discuss transformative strategies for modern sales organizations. Bossier shares his journey from a personal health challenge to leading sales at a document automation and e-signature company, emphasizing the importance of empathy, alignment, and outcome-based pricing. He advocates for replacing traditional SDRs with direct marketing-to-sales handoffs, aligning sales and customer success teams into 'pods' for shared revenue accountability, and building partner ecosystems through certified integrators and technology embeds. The conversation highlights how shifting from seat-based to consumption-based pricing—driven by customer outcomes—has led to over 200% growth in contract values. Bossier also stresses the need for cross-functional collaboration, using real-world examples from his career, including a pivotal early loss that taught him the power of listening over pitching. He concludes with advice on building resilience in sales teams by reframing rejection as a learning opportunity and celebrating progress, not just wins.
Replace SDRs with direct marketing-to-sales handoffs to improve conversion and buyer experience.
Align sales and customer success teams into shared 'pods' with common accounts and revenue goals.
Shift from seat-based to consumption-based pricing tied to customer outcomes like document volume and signatures.
Build partner ecosystems by certifying integrators and embedding your product into complementary platforms.
Use empathy and deep listening to uncover real customer pain—sales is about connection, not just product features.
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Introducing Keith Bossier and S-Docs
Mario introduces Keith Bossier, VP of Sales at S-Docs, a document automation and e-signature platform. Keith shares his background in SaaS, fintech, and legal tech, and explains how S-Docs helps companies automate contracts and execute e-signatures.
Personal Story: Overcoming Heart Surgery
“I've been doing good for about the last 15 years. I compete in triathlons. I'm a very active athletic individual. In fact, I've won triathlons and half marathons.”
Pricing Strategies Aligned to Customer Outcomes
“We've actually grown contract values by greater than 200%, in some cases over 1,000% for existing customers.”
Fixing Misalignment Between Sales, Marketing, and CS
“We actually removed the SDR and BDR function from our company so that Marketing and Sales didn't have an intermediary sitting between them.”
“We've actually grown contract values by greater than 200%, in some cases over 1,000% for existing customers.”
“Sales isn't always about persuasion... It's really about connection. It's being able to listen to a customer, understand what that is, and then tangibly bring that back to them.”
“I've been doing good for about the last 15 years. I compete in triathlons. I'm a very active athletic individual. In fact, I've won triathlons and half marathons.”
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Mario Martinez
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Salesforce
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