Luigi Mangione's Suppressed Evidence, Mackenzie Shirilla’s "Crash" Doc - "Positively Legal" with Mark Eiglarsh and Jonna Spilbor

The Megyn Kelly Show1h 4mMay 23, 2026

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A judge has blocked key evidence in Luigi Mangione's state trial, including items found during a warrantless search of his backpack at a McDonald's—though the prosecution still retains the murder video, manifesto, and other damning materials. Despite the suppression, hosts Mark Eiglarsh and Jonna Spilbore argue the case remains strong, emphasizing that the presumption of innocence applies only to juries, not public discourse. They then turn to the Netflix documentary *The Crash*, which chronicles 17-year-old Mackenzie Shirilla’s intentional 100 mph car crash into a brick building, killing her boyfriend and friend. The episode explores her upbringing by 'wolves'—a term used to describe emotionally abusive, chaotic parenting—and her apparent lack of remorse, with the hosts questioning whether she intended to kill or was simply reckless. The show concludes with a powerful interview with Ginny Burton, a systems change agent and author of *The Gabriel Plan*, who shares her journey from drug-addicted childhood to transforming lives in prison through a trauma-informed, accountability-based program. Her model, which focuses on personal responsibility and real-world outcomes over industry-driven treatment, has achieved a 98% success rate in preventing recidivism among released inmates. The episode ends with a passionate call to shift from long-term management of addiction to systems that empower individuals to become the best version of themselves.

Key Takeaways
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A judge suppressed evidence from Luigi Mangione's backpack search at a McDonald's due to a warrantless seizure, but the murder video, manifesto, and other core evidence remain admissible.

2

The presumption of innocence applies only to juries, not to public opinion, media, or legal professionals—meaning attorneys can openly discuss guilt without violating legal ethics.

3

Mackenzie Shirilla’s 100 mph crash into a brick building was intentional, not accidental, as confirmed by forensic analysis, toxicology, and her own behavior post-crash.

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Shirilla’s upbringing by emotionally abusive, drug-addicted parents—described as 'raised by wolves'—contributed to her lack of remorse and distorted sense of consequence.

5

Ginny Burton’s 'Gabriel Plan' program in prison uses personal accountability, deficit assessment, and real-world network building to help incarcerated individuals transform their lives.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Welcome to Positively Legal

Megyn Kelly introduces the new true crime podcast 'Positively Legal,' hosted by Mark Eiglarsh and Jonna Spilbore, with a call to subscribe via the purple podcast button or YouTube.

2:15
8 min

Luigi Mangione's Suppressed Evidence

The presumption of innocence applies solely to court. It doesn't apply to the court of public opinion. It doesn't apply to my office. It doesn't apply to this podcast. It doesn't apply to my house. We can opine anytime we want that somebody is... Damn guilty.

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10:00
10 min

The Vile Fan Club of a Murderer

I don't even think it's really for what they think he stands for. If they think he stands for, oh, we're going to effectuate change. The American healthcare industry sucks. Yeah, it does suck. But I'm not going to go kill anybody for it.

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20:00
20 min

The Crash: Mackenzie Shirilla's Intentional Crash

She made a safe turn. Very safe. Very safe, deliberate, slow. And then she hauls ass. 97 miles an hour, no brakes. But it wasn't a straight road. It was a curved road. If she had passed out from POTS, she wouldn't have navigated the curve.

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40:00
20 min

Ginny Burton: From Chaos to Systems Change

I was just really tired. And I realized something really simple, which was I just have to do the opposite of what I've been doing.

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High-Impact Quotes
Out of 51 people that have been released, only one has recidivated. Out of that one that's recidivated, he has made his way back to the program.
Ginny Burton44:59
Viral: 90.0
needed to change. And I realized I realized something really simple, which was I just have to do the opposite of what I've been doing.
Ginny Burton33:25
Viral: 88.0
She knowingly did. She intentionally did. She willfully did it. And I think she got off way too light.
Jonna Spilbore64:03
Viral: 84.0
Speakers

Hosts

Megyn KellyMark EiglarshJonna Spilbore

Guest

Ginny Burton
Topics Discussed
addiction recovery95%prison reform93%mackenzie shirilla crash92%systems change91%luigi mangione trial90%intentional car crash88%accountability in justice87%suppressed evidence85%
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ginnny burton

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luigi mangione

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15xNegative

mackenzie shirilla

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12xNegative

the crash

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6xNeutral

becky hill

person

5xNeutral

netflix

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4xNeutral

alex murdoch

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4xNeutral

south carolina supreme court

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3xNegative

crimecon 2026

other

2xPositive

megyn kelly show

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