Ep. 859: Man-Eating Lions, The Border Wall, and Judas Deer
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The MeatEater Podcast Episode 859 dives into a rich tapestry of outdoor conservation, wildlife management, and ethical debates, beginning with a cinematic lion hunt in Utah and a deep dive into the legendary man-eating lions of Africa, inspired by John Banovich’s evocative painting 'Man Eaters of Savo.' The episode explores controversial conservation decisions, including the Catalina Island mule deer eradication program, which sparked criticism for excluding local hunters and relying on a nonprofit sharpshooting team, underscoring the importance of transparency and stakeholder involvement. The hosts scrutinize Michigan’s proposed deer baiting bill, questioning its real impact on population control while weighing concerns over disease spread, fair chase, and road safety. A major critique follows the U.S. Forest Service’s restructuring—moving headquarters to Utah and consolidating research—seen as ideologically driven and potentially damaging to scientific capacity. Meanwhile, Alaska’s limited mountain lion season is praised as a pragmatic response to climate-driven species shifts. The episode also highlights the surprising dispersal of deer and lions into new territories, including remote islands, challenging traditional invasive species classifications. Lighthearted segments spotlight the Big Crappie Challenge, where a 2.37-pound catch won $5,000, and tease the second season of the true crime podcast 'Blood Trails,' set to explore unsolved wilderness mysteries with a focus on truth in silence.
Wildlife research and conservation require secrecy to prevent poaching and maintain integrity.
Artistic restraint in depicting wildlife violence can be more powerful and impactful than graphic realism.
Conservation decisions must include local hunters and stakeholders to build public trust and avoid conflict.
Legalizing deer baiting may have limited effectiveness in population control and raises ethical and ecological concerns.
Federal agency restructurings, like the Forest Service move to Utah, risk undermining scientific capacity and face strong public opposition.
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Lion Hunt in Utah with the Mechams and Ty Evans
“This is about mules and lions. This is the kind of place where winter hangs on tight and every track in the snow tells a story.”
Bobcat Collaring and Trap Design with Mercer
“They cannot—They will not share those waypoints. So he works on the project, but he does not have access to the waypoints.”
The Man-Eaters of Savo and the Art of John Banovich
“The first time I looked at it, I didn't see the foot. Yeah, it takes you 30 seconds or a minute to realize the foot. That's why he's a painter and I'm not.”
Catalina Island Deer Eradication and the 'Judas Deer' Strategy
The podcast critiques the Catalina Island Conservancy's decision to hire White Buffalo to eradicate deer, questioning the ethics of bypassing local hunters and using aggressive tactics like Judas deer to lure the remaining animals.
Debating the Bait Bill and Doe Harvest
The hosts analyze the political and ecological arguments for and against legalizing baiting in Michigan, questioning whether it would actually increase doe harvest and whether concerns about disease spread and fair chase are valid.
“This is about mules and lions. This is the kind of place where winter hangs on tight and every track in the snow tells a story.”
“This season, we're going deeper. From cold case files to whispered suspicions. From remote mountains to frozen backwoods.”
“The first time I looked at it, I didn't see the foot. Yeah, it takes you 30 seconds or a minute to realize the foot. That's why he's a painter and I'm not.”
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Clay Newcomb
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U.S. Forest Service
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Mercer
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Catalina Island Conservancy
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Brian Harmon
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John Banovich
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Michigan
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White Buffalo
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Blood Trails
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Ty Evans
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