Michael Cremo | Extreme Out Of Place Artifacts, More Forbidden Archaeology, & Vedic Cosmology

The Higherside Chats1h 27mApril 19, 2026

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In this in-depth conversation, host Greg Carlwood welcomes back Michael Cremo, the pioneering researcher behind *Forbidden Archaeology*, for a follow-up interview 12 years after their first. Cremo discusses his new book, *Extreme Human Antiquity*, which expands on his decades-long work documenting out-of-place artifacts, human footprints, and ancient bones that challenge the mainstream Darwinian timeline of human evolution. He argues that the scientific establishment systematically suppresses evidence that contradicts its materialist, linear model of human origins through a process he calls 'knowledge filtration.' Cremo emphasizes that while dating methods are imperfect, they provide a necessary framework for debate, and the sheer volume of anomalies—like a 208-million-year-old fossilized shoe print or a human figurine found 300 feet underground—cannot be dismissed as hoaxes without rigorous scrutiny. He then presents the Vedic cosmology as a more comprehensive alternative, proposing that humans are eternal conscious beings temporarily embodied in physical vehicles, with the human form serving as a unique platform for spiritual evolution. This model, he argues, naturally accommodates all the anomalies without requiring constant timeline revisions. Cremo also critiques the historical dismantling of non-Western cosmologies, particularly during colonialism, and exposes how institutions like the Rockefeller Foundation have financially influenced science to maintain materialist control. The conversation concludes with a powerful call to reclaim a consciousness-based worldview as the foundation for a more unified, sustainable, and authentic human future.

Key Takeaways
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The scientific establishment systematically suppresses evidence that contradicts the Darwinian timeline through 'knowledge filtration,' not just ignorance.

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The sheer volume of out-of-place artifacts—hundreds of documented cases—suggests a need for a paradigm shift, not just skepticism about dating methods.

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Vedic cosmology offers a coherent alternative: humans are eternal conscious beings using physical bodies as vehicles for spiritual evolution, not biological accidents.

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Materialist science's denial of consciousness is not just a gap—it's a foundational flaw that undermines its ability to explain human origins and behavior.

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Historical institutions like the Rockefeller Foundation have actively funded research to reinforce materialist worldviews and maintain social control.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

The New Trial & Podcast Evolution

Greg Carlwood announces a major change to the podcast's free trial: removing the credit card requirement. He reflects on the success of the change and shares lessons learned from technical and strategic missteps during rollout.

1:50
3 min

The Crisis of Scientific Authority

Carlwood sets the stage by critiquing the replication crisis, institutional bias, and the arrogance of Western science. He frames Cremo’s work as a necessary challenge to a system that suppresses inconvenient truths.

5:00
5 min

Michael Cremo: The Pioneer of Forbidden Archaeology

I feel like you were a bit of a pioneer in that approach to tackling the problems of your field, but now it seems almost trendy...

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10:00
8 min

The Evidence: Out-of-Place Artifacts & Anomalies

If you look actually in the current textbooks of archaeology, they always include cases from previous centuries... it's not that because something was discovered in the 19th century it is automatically invalid.

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17:30
8 min

The Problem with Dating & the Need for Alternatives

If these dating tools are the things you're going to hang the entire human story on... Then explain the results of hundreds of objects... You either have to say, the story is wrong or the dating is wrong.

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High-Impact Quotes
The most important thing I would get across is that we should appreciate that we're in a consciousness-based universe, because ultimately, we're beings of pure consciousness.
Michael Cremo64:32
Viral: 92.0
If these dating tools are the things you're going to hang the entire human story on... Then explain the results of hundreds of objects... You either have to say, the story is wrong or the dating is wrong.
Greg Carlwood69:29
Viral: 88.0
In an ideal world, money wouldn't have any influence on ideas. But as you were saying, wealth that's generated by the process of consumerism... flows in an unequal way.
Michael Cremo57:19
Viral: 87.0
Speakers

Host

Greg Carlwood

Guest

Michael Cremo
Topics Discussed
Forbidden Archaeology95%Vedic Cosmology92%Scientific Suppression90%Consciousness and Identity88%Dating Methods and Anomalies85%Colonialism and Knowledge Erasure83%Rockefeller Foundation Influence80%Materialism vs Spirituality78%
People & Brands

Michael Cremo

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Vedic Cosmology

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Darwinism

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Greg Carlwood

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Forbidden Archaeology

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10xPositive

Extreme Human Antiquity

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8xPositive

Rockefeller Foundation

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7xNegative

David Icke

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4xPositive

Puranas

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3xPositive

Human Devolution

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