THE HERD - Hour 3 - P. J. Carlesimo stops by The Herd
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In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, legendary basketball coach P.J. Carlesimo joins the show to discuss the transformative state of college and NBA basketball. Carlesimo reflects on his storied career—from college coaching at Wagner and Seton Hall to NBA assistant roles with the San Antonio Spurs—and shares his insights on how NIL, player recruitment, and the evolution of team rosters have reshaped the game. He highlights the increased physicality and talent level in college basketball, noting that modern teams now resemble NBA squads in size and strength. The conversation turns to the NBA draft, with Cowherd and Carlesimo analyzing the rise of tanking due to the depth of this year’s draft class and the impact of the new CBA. They praise emerging stars like Cooper Flagg and Yaxel Lenneborg, while expressing concern over durability and playmaking issues with prospects like Darren Peterson. The discussion also touches on the modern NBA’s shift toward IQ, scheme, and shooting over pure athleticism, with Nikola Jokic and Arvydas Sabonis cited as exemplars. The episode closes with reflections on coaching longevity, team culture, and the changing dynamics of player development across college and pro levels.
College basketball has evolved into a 'super league' with NBA-level physicality and talent due to NIL and extended player eligibility.
Tanking is surging because of the depth of this year’s NBA draft and restrictive CBA rules limiting team trades.
Cooper Flagg is considered generational talent, with elite skills evident even before his college career began.
The modern NBA values IQ, shooting, and playmaking over raw athleticism—Jokic and Sabonis are cited as prime examples.
Teams are now buying players rather than recruiting, leading to 'bomb squads' with loaded rosters and fewer Cinderella stories.
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The Rise of College Basketball's NBA Girth
“Now, you look at Arizona, Michigan, Illinois, to a lesser extent, not Connecticut, surprisingly, it feels like you're in an NBA practice. I mean, there's all these guys, and it's not just that they're long. They're not, you know, a Di Morris. They're big, strong guys like Lendenborg, like Morris Johnson. They're incredible.”
The NBA Draft, Tanking, and Generational Talent
“If somehow I get him, it's worth it. And I don't know who the next Cooper flag is. This draft this year is really impressive, but I like them all, but I haven't seen another Cooper flag.”
The Modern NBA: IQ Over Explosiveness
“The new game is scheme, speed, IQ, quick cognitive ability, and hit jumpers, is it not?”
P.J. Carlesimo’s Legacy and Coaching Insights
Carlesimo reflects on his career, from coaching in the Big East to working with the Spurs dynasty, and shares his perspective on player development, team culture, and the challenges of coaching in modern college basketball.
“If somehow I get him, it's worth it. And I don't know who the next Cooper flag is. This draft this year is really impressive, but I like them all, but I haven't seen another Cooper flag.”
“Now, you look at Arizona, Michigan, Illinois, to a lesser extent, not Connecticut, surprisingly, it feels like you're in an NBA practice. I mean, there's all these guys, and it's not just that they're long. They're not, you know, a Di Morris. They're big, strong guys like Lendenborg, like Morris Johnson. They're incredible.”
“Nikola Jokic is underrated because he makes it look easy. He impacts a game more than anybody I've ever seen on both ends.”
Host
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Colin Cowherd
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P.J. Carlesimo
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Cooper Flagg
person
Nikola Jokic
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Yaxel Lenneborg
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NBA Draft
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Arvydas Sabonis
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NIL
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Michigan Wolverines
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Darren Peterson
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