Joe and Jada - John Leguizamo on playing Pablo Escobar, 'Carlito's Way' & Latin representation in Hollywood
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In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Joe and Jada welcome actor John Leguizamo for a candid conversation spanning his career, Hollywood representation, and his new Hulu series 'Dear Killer Nannies,' a Spanish-language drama based on the authorized story of Pablo Escobar. Leguizamo reflects on his iconic roles in 'Carlito's Way' and 'Empire,' discussing the authenticity of portraying Latin characters and the systemic barriers in Hollywood that continue to limit Latin representation despite the community's cultural and economic influence. He shares personal stories from his youth, including how 'Scarface' influenced his path and how he drew from real-life experiences to play Benny Blanco. The conversation turns to his portrayal of Escobar, where he emphasizes the complexity of the man—both a ruthless criminal and a devoted father—while critiquing how society mythologizes and profits from gangster figures. Leguizamo also reflects on the dangers of fame, the emotional toll of relationships, and the modern surveillance state, warning that technology now enables constant tracking through smart devices. The episode closes with a powerful message about legacy, identity, and the responsibility of storytelling.
Hollywood still underrepresents Latin talent despite Latinos making up 20% of the U.S. population and over-indexing at the box office.
Leguizamo's role in 'Carlito's Way' was deeply personal, based on real people and experiences from his youth in Spanish Harlem.
Pablo Escobar's legacy is complex—feared as a criminal, yet revered in Colombia through tourism and media, showing how society romanticizes villains.
The modern world is increasingly surveilled; drones, smart devices, and AI can track and predict behavior, making traditional gangster lifestyles obsolete.
True success isn't just wealth—it's the ability to walk away from danger and protect your family, even if it means cutting ties with the past.
Hollywood's Latin Representation Crisis
“We're still like, we're 20% of the population. We over-index at the box office at 30%. We're a third of sports fans. Where is our 30% of the movies, of the casting, of the executives? Where is that?”
From 'Carlito's Way' to Real-Life Gangster Roots
“I based it on somebody directly because that's why I had that kind of fire and juice.”
The Scarface Effect: When Movies Shape Reality
Leguizamo reveals he initially disliked 'Carlito's Way' because he thought it was a sequel to 'Scarface'—a film that deeply influenced his youth and even led to real-life criminal behavior among his peers.
Playing Pablo Escobar: A Complex Legacy
“He hugged his son, kissed him, said I love you publicly and everything. He got caught cause of his family. Say what?”
The Psychology of Power and Legacy
The conversation explores how names carry weight—being born into a notorious family like Gotti or Escobar can brand a person as a criminal before they even act. Leguizamo reflects on how Escobar’s son escaped the legacy by changing his name and becoming a psychologist.
“They're going to use your ring in your house. You're going to use your nest in your house. your whatever stupid vacuum cleaner, the Zumba, Roomba thing. They're going to use all that to look at you, find you, GPS you and you're going to be controlled.”
“They still making money off this man that they murdered. And they called him a criminal and they assassinated. And he was the biggest shit in the world.”
“He hugged his son, kissed him, said I love you publicly and everything. He got caught cause of his family. Say what?”
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