State of Origin: The Union Way
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The Good, The Bad & The Rugby podcast kicks off with a somber tribute to former Scotland international Paul Scott Hastings, whose passing casts a shadow over the episode. But the mood quickly shifts to exhilarating debate as the hosts revive the long-dormant 'State of Origin' concept for English rugby union—reimagining regional rivalries between North, Midlands, South West, and London using current professional players. The episode becomes a spirited fantasy draft, with guests Michael Tindall, Ben Kay, and Martin Johnson passionately arguing over player eligibility based on birthplace, schooling, and family ties. The discussion dives deep into the emotional power of regional identity in rugby, with each selector building dream teams that spark heated debates over players like Owen Farrell, Tom Curry, and Noah Calori. The episode culminates in a full team reveal, bench selections, stadium proposals, and even a coach draft—highlighting how such a tournament could reignite fan passion. Despite acknowledging real-world hurdles like player contracts and club opposition, the hosts believe the emotional and tribal appeal of 'State of Origin: The Union Way' could make it a compelling addition to the rugby calendar. The episode’s most striking insight is that rugby’s future may lie not in more elite competitions, but in rekindling the deep-rooted, community-driven rivalries that once defined the sport.
Reintroducing a regional State of Origin-style tournament in English rugby could reignite tribal fan passion and attract non-Premiership followers.
Player eligibility based on birthplace, schooling before age 13, or parental ties could create compelling, emotionally charged debates and fair representation.
The emotional power of regional identity in rugby—rooted in geography, not just performance—may be the sport’s most underutilized asset.
A short-form, three-game regional tournament with rotating home venues could build FOMO and fill stadiums without overloading the calendar.
Coaches like Sam Vestey and Floyd Steadman could serve more as emotional leaders than tactical minds, emphasizing the ceremonial and inspirational role in such a tournament.
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Tribute to Paul Scott Hastings
“He was the most positive person in the world, wasn't he? He was. Very, very sad indeed.”
Rebooting the State of Origin Concept
The hosts introduce the central idea: reviving the historic English regional fixtures (North, Midlands, South West, London) as a modern 'State of Origin' tournament for union rugby.
The Fantasy Draft Begins: Back Three Selection
Michael Tindall starts the fantasy draft with his North team, selecting players like Tom Roebuck, Will Muir, and Josh Hodge. Ben Kay and Martin Johnson follow with their own selections, sparking early debates over player eligibility.
Centres and Halfbacks: The Eligibility Wars
“You can't have a Ben White who's... Who is born in England but playing for Scotland.”
Forwards and the Back Row Debate
The draft moves to the forwards, with Ben Kay selecting young talents like Asher Apoku-Fajor and Kepu Turipalotu. Michael Tindall picks a powerful pack including Tom Burrow and Ben Bamba, while Martin Johnson selects experienced players like Jamie George and Ellis Genge.
“just was the most positive person in the world, wasn't he? He was. Very, very sad indeed.”
“I think it's the Midlands and London South. I think we've got the best of the first and the third team in the Prem, so in the Midlands.”
“You can't have a Ben White who's... Who is born in England but playing for Scotland.”
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Tom Curry
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