Bill C-9: When the State Tries to Define Hate

The Ezra Institute Podcast for Cultural Reformation1h 10mApril 1, 2026

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In this episode of The Ezra Institute Podcast for Cultural Reformation, Dr. Michael Thiessen and Pastor Nate Wright delve into the implications of Canada's Bill C-9, a legislative proposal that would expand hate crime laws by criminalizing acts motivated by 'hatred' and removing religious defenses for speech. The bill, having passed second reading in the House of Commons with support from the Liberals and Bloc Québécois but opposition from Conservatives, NDP, and Greens, has raised alarms due to its vague definition of hatred and its potential to criminalize Christian speech, church discipline, and biblical preaching. The hosts argue that the bill dangerously conflates sin and crime, granting the state unprecedented authority to judge inner motives—a role reserved for God alone. They warn that such legislation erodes religious liberty, enables ideological manipulation, and reflects a broader cultural war over worldview, where competing groups like Muslims, LGBTQ+ advocates, and secular humanists vie to shape public morality. Despite the challenges, the hosts emphasize that resisting such laws is not a distraction from the gospel but a vital outworking of Christ’s lordship over all of life, offering a unique opportunity for evangelism and faithful witness in a culture increasingly hostile to biblical truth.

Key Takeaways
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Bill C-9 redefines hatred as a criminal motive, enabling the state to punish not just actions but inner intentions, which Christians argue is a dangerous overreach of civil authority.

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The bill removes the religious defense for speech based on biblical texts, threatening pastors' ability to preach on sin, including homosexuality, and practice church discipline.

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Christians must reject the myth of 'neutral pluralism'—all laws reflect a worldview, and the only stable foundation for law is Scripture, not shifting cultural consensus.

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Opposition to bills like C-9 is not defeatist or negative; it is an act of love and pastoral care, warning people against living in a 'hell on earth' created by unbiblical laws.

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The church should remain faithful in preaching, teaching, and engaging public policy without becoming politically obsessed or retreating into isolation.

Chapters
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10 min

Introducing Bill C-9 and Its Political Context

The hosts introduce Bill C-9, a Canadian bill that would expand hate crime legislation by criminalizing acts motivated by hatred. It has passed second reading in the House of Commons with 186 votes in favor, primarily from Liberals and the Bloc Québécois, while being opposed by Conservatives, NDP, and Greens.

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10 min

The Problem with Criminalizing Motive and 'Hatred'

This bill really does mark sort of a dangerous expansion of civil power... It's setting a dangerous trajectory is what I would say.

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20:00
20 min

How Bill C-9 Threatens Christian Practice

It's commanded of us as ministers of God's word to actually purge the evil from among us... And it's very clear in this bill that actually the exclusion to the church family... would actually be considered now a hate crime.

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40:00
20 min

The Battle of Worldviews and the Illusion of Neutrality

There's no such thing as neutral pluralism... Every law is an instantiation or a denunciation of religious claims.

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1:00:00
20 min

The Gospel as the Foundation for Public Policy

This isn't a distraction from the gospel because it's actually an implication of the gospel. Who gets to shape public policy? We would say the Lord Jesus Christ.

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High-Impact Quotes
The church does prevail, like that Christ will continue to build this church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
Dr. Michael Thiessen64:58
Viral: 95.0
When a league or an architect for a golf course has to actually keep you in mind as they're changing the rules of the game, that's what winning looks like.
Dr. Michael Thiessen63:52
Viral: 92.0
It's commanded of us as ministers of God's word to actually purge the evil from among us... And it's very clear in this bill that actually the exclusion to the church family... would actually be considered now a hate crime.
Pastor Nate Wright35:50
Viral: 90.0
Speakers

Hosts

Dr. Michael ThiessenPastor Nate Wright
Topics Discussed
Hate Crime Legislation95%The Gospel and Public Life93%Worldview and Law92%Christian Freedom of Speech90%Persecution and Christian Witness89%Church Discipline and Biblical Authority88%Moral Relativism and Cultural Conflict87%Separation of Church and State85%
People & Brands

Bill C-9

other

42xNegative

Christianity

other

38xPositive

Bible

other

28xPositive

Canadian Parliament

organization

18xNeutral

Ezra Institute

organization

15xPositive

Conservatives

other

14xNegative

Liberals

other

12xNegative

Islam

other

12xNegative

LGBTQ+

other

10xNegative

Bloc Québécois

other

8xNegative

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