The Interviews (Theo James, John Waters, Matt Bettinelli-Olpin & Tyler Gillett)

The Empire Film Podcast54mApril 2, 2026

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The Empire Film Podcast's latest episode, 'The Interviews,' delivers a dynamic trio of conversations with major figures in contemporary cinema. First, actor Theo James discusses his role in David McKenzie's high-stakes thriller *Fuse*, a film built on mystery, minimal backstory, and intense tension. James reflects on the challenges of portraying a character with little exposition, the power of silence and close-ups in performance, and his journey from stage to screen, including formative experiences in theatre and early auditions. He also shares insights into his work on *The White Lotus* and *The Monkey*, emphasizing the importance of directorial trust and creative freedom. Next, legendary filmmaker John Waters, the self-proclaimed 'Pope of Trash,' joins to discuss the BFI Southbank's 'Trash!' season, celebrating low-budget, transgressive cinema. Waters traces the roots of trash film to the 1960s underground scene, defends the artistic value of films like *Pink Flamingos* and *Multiple Maniacs*, and argues that shock value can be a form of political and artistic subversion. He reflects on the evolution of his career from underground provocateur to respected auteur, now honored by institutions like the National Film Registry. Finally, directors Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillett break down the sequel *Ready or Not, Here I Come*, revealing the creative process behind its escalating stakes, absurd yet grounded tone, and the pivotal decision to introduce a sister character to deepen the emotional core. They discuss the origin of the rocket launcher gag, the meticulous crafting of the game’s rules, and how they balanced action with intimate character moments. The episode closes with a reminder to subscribe to Empire's Spoiler Specials for deeper dives into upcoming films. Key takeaways include: 1) Great performances often come from restraint and authenticity, not overthinking facial expressions; 2) Trash cinema, while shocking, is a legitimate art form with political and artistic intent; 3) The most effective genre films use mystery and minimal exposition to build tension; 4) The best creative decisions often emerge from collaborative 'Yes, and...' improvisation; 5) Emotional stakes are crucial even in high-octane action, and relationships must be earned; 6) The most iconic moments in genre films often come from the most absurd ideas executed with deadpan seriousness; 7) Trust between director and actor is essential for naturalistic performances; 8) Evolution in storytelling often requires cutting ideas that don't serve the narrative, even if they're clever.

Key Takeaways
1

Great performances come from being present and listening, not from consciously controlling facial expressions.

2

Trash cinema is a legitimate art form that uses shock and absurdity to subvert societal norms and censorship.

3

Minimal backstory and mystery can heighten tension and audience investment in a thriller.

4

The most iconic genre moments often stem from absurd ideas executed with deadpan seriousness and commitment.

5

Emotional relationships are the engine of genre films, even when characters are under life-threatening duress.

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Chapters
0:00
19 min

Theo James on 'Fuse': The Art of the Unknowable Character

You don't need to have every detail kind of spelled out for you. It's supposed to be about just the experience and then the payoff at the end.

Highlight
19:00
24 min

John Waters: The Pope of Trash on the Legacy of Exploitation Cinema

I always said that to use bad taste and change people's opinion, you'd have to know the rules of good taste.

Highlight
43:00
13 min

Matt Bettinelli-Olpin & Tyler Gillett: The Making of 'Ready or Not, Here I Come'

We just challenged each other until we all liked something. But the studio was also like, guys, it might be too much. We might be jumping the shark.

Highlight
56:00
4 min

The Evolution of the 'Hide and Seek' Game in the Sequel

The directors discuss how they evolved the central game mechanic from the first film, ensuring it felt fresh while maintaining its core identity. They talk about the challenges of raising the stakes and the importance of the sister relationship in driving the narrative.

1:00:00
4 min

The Rocket Launcher: From Absurd Idea to Iconic Moment

The directors recount the origin of the film's most infamous scene, where a rocket launcher is used in a game of hide-and-seek. They describe the collaborative 'Yes, and...' process that led to this decision and the studio's initial hesitation.

High-Impact Quotes
I always said that to use bad taste and change people's opinion, you'd have to know the rules of good taste.
John Waters22:06
Viral: 90.0
You don't need to have every detail kind of spelled out for you. It's supposed to be about just the experience and then the payoff at the end.
Theo James7:15
Viral: 85.0
It's about context and audience. And at the British Film Institute, they can never be obscene.
John Waters30:46
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Chris Hewitt

Guests

Theo JamesJohn WatersMatt Bettinelli-OlpinTyler Gillett
Topics Discussed
the art of low-budget and exploitation cinema95%the legacy of underground and cult cinema90%character development in thriller films90%the importance of emotional stakes in action films85%the creative process in filmmaking85%the evolution of genre film80%the role of silence and close-ups in performance75%the balance between absurdity and realism in comedy70%
People & Brands

Ready or Not, Here I Come

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15xPositive

Theo James

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15xPositive

John Waters

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12xPositive

Fuse

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12xPositive

Tyler Gillett

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10xPositive

Pink Flamingos

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10xPositive

Matt Bettinelli-Olpin

person

10xPositive

David McKenzie

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8xPositive

BFI Southbank

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7xPositive

Aaron Taylor-Johnson

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6xPositive

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