A church without walls

The Documentary Podcast26mMay 1, 2026

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In this poignant episode of 'Heart and Soul' on the BBC World Service, journalist John Offord documents the journey of Jane Codrington, a former Methodist pastor who left institutional religion to found 'We Are Church'—a community for those marginalized by traditional faith spaces. Set in Johannesburg, South Africa, the church meets in a school hall, Jane’s home, and even on city streets, embodying its ethos of being a 'church without walls.' Jane’s decision to walk away from the church was born out of deep disillusionment with hypocrisy, exclusion, and the lack of authenticity among religious leaders. Her embrace of LGBTQI+ inclusion, particularly in a region where same-sex relationships are criminalized, has cost her family and friends, yet she remains resolute in her belief that love and justice are central to Christian faith. The episode unfolds through intimate conversations with Jane, her husband Graham, and members like Vincent, a Ugandan refugee who fled persecution for his activism. Amid grief—Jane’s recent loss of her daughter Rebecca, who lived with HIV and neurodiversity—the community continues to embody radical inclusion, compassion, and presence in the face of suffering. Ultimately, the story is not about doctrine or buildings, but about creating sacred space for those who have been cast out.

Key Takeaways
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True faith is not defined by institutions but by radical inclusion and love for the marginalized.

2

Leaving institutional religion can be an act of spiritual integrity, not betrayal.

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Grief and loss can deepen one’s commitment to compassion and community.

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Social justice and LGBTQI+ inclusion are not optional but central to Christian ethics.

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A 'church without walls' thrives not in buildings but in shared presence, meals, and honest conversation.

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Chapters
0:00
5 min

A Church Without Walls: The Birth of We Are Church

It's about what happens when people stop asking who belongs and start asking who has been left out.

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5:00
5 min

The Cost of Authenticity: Leaving Institutional Religion

Jane reflects on the emotional and spiritual toll of leaving the Methodist Church, citing hypocrisy, lack of authenticity among leaders, and the pain of losing family and friends over her inclusive stance. She describes a period of deep doubt and therapy, yet ultimately sees her departure as a liberation.

10:00
5 min

LGBTQI+ Inclusion as a Matter of Justice

This is a justice issue. There's actually no... And advocating for this, it's the only thing to do because it's a justice issue.

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15:00
5 min

Pride, Presence, and the Power of Hugs

People could see us from about 50 meters away and actually approached us crying.

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20:00
6 min

Grief, Legacy, and the Living Church

I hope that there are just people out in the world who are in healthy whole relationships, jobs, spaces. Who are on the journey of faith. Navigating this world. Feeling like they belong.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
It's about what happens when people stop asking who belongs and start asking who has been left out.
John Offord25:54
Viral: 92.0
This is a justice issue. There's actually no... And advocating for this, it's the only thing to do because it's a justice issue.
Jane Codrington11:53
Viral: 88.0
People could see us from about 50 meters away and actually approached us crying.
Graham Codrington10:00
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

John Offord

Guests

Jane CodringtonGraham CodringtonVincentNicola MorrisonChristopher
Topics Discussed
church without walls95%lgbtqi-plus inclusion90%social justice and faith88%institutional religion critique85%grief and loss in community80%biblical interpretation and translation75%refugee and activist stories70%neurodiversity and faith65%
People & Brands

We Are Church

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15xPositive

Jane Codrington

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12xPositive

South Africa

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10xNeutral

Graham Codrington

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8xPositive

Methodist Church

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6xNegative

Rebecca

person

5xPositive

Heart and Soul

other

4xNeutral

BBC World Service

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4xNeutral

Bella Vista School

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4xNeutral

Nicola Morrison

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3xPositive

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