REAL TIME HEAL: Long COVID, Fear, and the Nervous System with Marisa Renee Lee

The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW1h 17mApril 17, 2026

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In this powerful real-time heal episode of The Cure for Chronic Pain, Nicole Sachs sits down with Marissa Renee Lee, a Harvard-educated former Wall Street and White House professional, to explore her journey through long COVID and a lifetime of accumulated trauma. Marissa shares how her mother's multiple sclerosis diagnosis at age 13, followed by her mother's stage-four breast cancer and death at 25, triggered lifelong gastrointestinal issues and emotional suppression. These early experiences, combined with later losses including her cousin Imani and her mother-in-law, created a deep reservoir of unprocessed grief and fear. Now, after two years of debilitating long COVID symptoms—fatigue, headaches, and sleep disruption—Marissa is navigating healing while grappling with her deeply ingrained need for control and outcomes. Nicole reframes long COVID not as a new or hopeless condition, but as a manifestation of a nervous system stuck in survival mode, protecting her from emotional overwhelm. She guides Marissa through the core principles of mind-body healing: belief (understood as neuroscience-based education), patience, and self-compassion. The central insight is that the very systems Marissa has built to manage her symptoms—supplements, strict rest schedules, and rigid planning—are not healing, but rather 'contraptions' that maintain a false sense of safety. Nicole challenges Marissa to let go of control, embrace uncertainty, and replace fear with curiosity, using journal speak as a tool to systematically process buried emotions. The episode culminates in a profound invitation: to stop trying to 'fix' the body and instead trust the process of becoming more open, vulnerable, and free. Key takeaways include: 1) Long COVID symptoms are real and protective, not imagined, and stem from a nervous system overwhelmed by unresolved trauma; 2) The belief that 'I must control everything' is a survival strategy that now blocks healing; 3) Healing begins not with more structure, but with the courage to say 'I don't know' and 'I need help'; 4) Journal speak is a powerful, systematic tool to safely access and release the emotional reservoir; 5) The most transformative healing happens when we stop trying to 'get better' and instead allow ourselves to be exactly where we are. Nicole emphasizes that while long COVID is real, it is not a life sentence—many have recovered fully through mind-body work, and Marissa is already on the path to freedom.

Key Takeaways
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Long COVID symptoms are real and protective, not imagined, and stem from a nervous system overwhelmed by unresolved trauma.

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The belief that 'I must control everything' is a survival strategy that now blocks healing.

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Healing begins not with more structure, but with the courage to say 'I don't know' and 'I need help'.

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Journal speak is a powerful, systematic tool to safely access and release the emotional reservoir.

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The most transformative healing happens when we stop trying to 'get better' and instead allow ourselves to be exactly where we are.

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Introduction to Real-Time Heal & Marissa's Story

When I was 13 years old, one day my mom got sick and she never got better. It turned out she had multiple sclerosis, but it would take us about three and a half years to figure that out.

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The Mind-Body Connection: Trauma, Fear, and the Nervous System

If your brain and your nervous system see your repressed emotional world overflowing all these feelings associated with all those things as a greater predator than your physical pain, it will choose your physical pain every time because pain is protective.

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The Illusion of Control and the 'Contraption' Metaphor

You are exactly where you need to be. You have a lot of pain. You have a lot to process and that's okay. We all do. And in that, you are moving in the right direction.

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Reframing Healing: From Fear to Curiosity

The only message I need to send to my nervous system is one of safety. The only message I need to send to my nervous system is one of safety.

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High-Impact Quotes
I don't know what kind of girl I am.
Elliot Page (via quote from Juno)50:58
Viral: 95.0
If your brain and your nervous system see your repressed emotional world overflowing all these feelings associated with all those things as a greater predator than your physical pain, it will choose your physical pain every time because pain is protective.
Nicole Sachs27:45
Viral: 90.0
I know it feels like I want to quit. Here's why. It feels like I want to quit because on days when this is hard, I feel really alone.
Marissa Renee Lee69:21
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Host

Nicole Sachs

Guest

Marissa Renee Lee
Topics Discussed
Long Covid95%Nervous System Regulation90%Mind-Body Connection88%Trauma and Grief85%Fear and Control82%Journal Speak80%Emotional Reservoir78%Healing Through Vulnerability75%
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Marissa Renee Lee

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Nicole Sachs

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Long COVID

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Waiting for Dawn

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6xPositive

Dr. Sarno

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5xPositive

Michael Singer

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Multiple Sclerosis

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3xNegative

Breast Cancer

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The Untethered Soul

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Harvard

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