Trump is ‘stuck in a stalemate’ in Iran (with Leon Panetta)

The Conversation with Dasha Burns38mMay 8, 2026

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In this episode of The Conversation, host Dasha Burns sits down with former Secretary of Defense and CIA Director Leon Panetta to dissect the ongoing conflict with Iran, which Panetta describes as a 'stalemate' with no clear path to resolution. He critiques the current administration's lack of coherent objectives, particularly the surprise at Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz—a move Panetta says was predictable and should have been planned for militarily. He argues that the U.S. must assert its ability to reopen the straits, even at the cost of boots on the ground, to protect global economic stability. Panetta also questions the credibility of the administration’s negotiating team, including figures like Jared Kushner and J.D. Vance, and expresses deep skepticism about the prospects for a lasting deal given Iran’s hardline regime and the U.S.’s inconsistent messaging. He condemns the rhetoric of 'no quarter' as both legally problematic and counterproductive, and criticizes Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s leadership for undermining military morale through frequent leadership changes. On broader foreign policy, Panetta laments the erosion of U.S. global leadership, the weakening of alliances like NATO, and the failure to stand firmly against Putin in Ukraine. He calls for a return to bipartisan principles of American foreign policy: strong alliances, military readiness, and the defense of democratic values. Key takeaways include: (1) The U.S. must prepare for military action to reopen the Strait of Hormuz if diplomacy fails; (2) The current negotiation team lacks the experience and credibility to secure a durable deal with Iran; (3) Rhetoric like 'no quarter' undermines U.S. moral authority and violates international law; (4) The U.S. must rebuild trust with allies and reassert its role as a values-driven global leader; and (5) The next administration must prioritize diplomacy, alliance-building, and long-term strategic stability over short-term political messaging.

Key Takeaways
1

The U.S. must be prepared to use military force to reopen the Strait of Hormuz if Iran refuses to allow passage.

2

The current U.S. negotiating team lacks the experience and credibility to secure a lasting deal with Iran.

3

Rhetoric like 'no quarter' is legally prohibited and damages U.S. moral authority on the world stage.

4

The U.S. must rebuild alliances and reassert leadership based on democratic values, not just power.

5

The next president must prioritize long-term strategic stability over short-term political messaging.

Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introduction and Context: The Iran Conflict

Dasha Burns introduces the episode, setting the stage with a health insurance ad and a brief overview of the ongoing Iran conflict. She frames the discussion around the lack of clear objectives and the administration's shifting narratives.

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3 min

Assessing the Military Objectives and the 'Stalemate'

I do not see a deal that the United States can agree to right now. And that means we have a prolonged war on our hands.

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5:00
5 min

The Strait of Hormuz: A Strategic Miscalculation

We had to have plans as to how we would reopen the Straits of Hormuz. This administration said it was surprised by the fact that they closed the Straits of Hormuz.

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10:00
5 min

The Negotiating Team and Credibility Crisis

It's very hard to kind of be able to rely on what he says because it doesn't happen.

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15:00
5 min

Military Conduct and International Law

Panetta condemns the 'no quarter' rhetoric as both illegal and counterproductive, emphasizing the importance of military professionalism and adherence to the laws of war.

High-Impact Quotes
The next president of the United States has to return America not just to military power but to protecting our values as a democracy.
Leon Panetta35:41
Viral: 90.0
It's all about power. It's not about values. He's wrong. It's about power, but it's also about our values.
Leon Panetta31:40
Viral: 88.0
I do not see a deal that the United States can agree to right now. And that means we have a prolonged war on our hands.
Leon Panetta0:13
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Dasha Burns

Guest

Leon Panetta
Topics Discussed
Iran Conflict and Military Objectives95%Strait of Hormuz Closure and Strategic Leverage90%U.S. Foreign Policy and Global Leadership88%Negotiation Strategy and Credibility85%Military Leadership and Morale80%Ukraine and the War with Russia75%U.S.-Israel Relations and Alliance Dynamics70%Diplomacy and the Role of the State Department65%
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Leon Panetta

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Iran

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United States

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Barack Obama

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Strait of Hormuz

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Donald Trump

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Biden Administration

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8xMixed

Pete Hegseth

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8xNegative

Vladimir Putin

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6xNegative

NATO

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