The Top Ten War Movies
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In this episode of The Bulwark Takes, culture editor Sonny Bunch sits down with retired General Mark Kirtling to discuss his curated list of the top 10 war films, emphasizing their lessons in leadership, strategy, and the human cost of conflict. The conversation spans iconic films like *Saving Private Ryan*, *Band of Brothers*, and *12 O'Clock High*, as well as lesser-known but impactful works such as *Restrepo* and *Zero Dark Thirty*. Kirtling uses each film to illustrate key military and leadership principles—ranging from the importance of intelligence integration and small-unit cohesion to the moral weight of strategic decisions and the psychological toll of war. He draws personal parallels from his own combat experience, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan, to underscore the realism and emotional depth of these cinematic portrayals. The discussion culminates in a broader reflection on what these films teach civilians and leaders alike about resilience, responsibility, and the necessity of meaningful purpose in military action. Beyond film analysis, the episode serves as a meditation on leadership in crisis. Kirtling identifies core leadership traits—emotional control, communication, moral clarity, and the courage to take responsibility—arguing that these are not just military virtues but universal principles applicable to any leader. He stresses that true leadership means enduring chaos, making hard calls under pressure, and ensuring that every sacrifice 'makes it matter.' The episode closes with a call to action: viewers are encouraged to reflect on the stakes of war, support military families, and engage in thoughtful discourse about national defense. It’s both a tribute to service and a challenge to leadership in all walks of life.
Leadership is forged in chaos—true strength comes from remaining calm under pressure and making decisions when fear is overwhelming.
The best war films teach that tactical excellence alone isn’t enough; strategic clarity and purpose are essential to winning wars.
Intelligence, trust, and brotherhood at the small-unit level are the bedrock of combat success, even when higher-level objectives are unclear.
Leaders must balance discipline with care—sometimes the hardest act of leadership is being tough to protect those you lead.
Every military action must have a justifiable, well-communicated purpose; otherwise, the sacrifice of lives is meaningless.
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Introduction and Context
Sonny Bunch introduces the episode as a rerun of a conversation with General Mark Kirtling about his list of the top 10 war films, emphasizing their value in teaching leadership. He also promotes upcoming episodes, including a discussion on *A Man for All Seasons*.
The Leadership Framework: The Three-Legged Stool
Kirtling explains his military leadership philosophy—learning through formal education, operational experience, and self-study via films and books. He frames war movies as essential tools for personal and professional development.
Top 10 War Films: Gettysburg and Patton
Kirtling begins his list with *Gettysburg*, highlighting how leadership personalities shaped the outcome of the Civil War. He contrasts Lee’s overconfidence with Meade’s emerging command, then discusses *Patton* as a cautionary tale about ego and leadership flaws.
A Bridge Too Far and Restrepo: Strategic Failure and Tactical Heroism
Kirtling analyzes *A Bridge Too Far* as a case study in over-optimistic planning and the cost of flawed strategy. He then turns to *Restrepo*, praising its realism in portraying small-unit cohesion while questioning the lack of strategic clarity in the Afghanistan conflict.
Zero Dark Thirty: The Power of Intelligence and Endurance
Kirtling praises *Zero Dark Thirty* for its depiction of the long, grueling intelligence effort to find bin Laden. He highlights the fusion of military and intelligence operations, drawing from his own experience with JSOC and the importance of institutional endurance.
“Make it matter.”
“He was ready to say, hey, I made some bad calls. It's all my fault. That's something that really takes a dedicated, selfless leader to do.”
“It was worse than what they portrayed in the film.”
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Sonny Bunch
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Tom Selleck
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Stan McChrystal
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