Is U.S. Policy Hurting Cubans More Than the Regime? (w/ Juan Gonzalez)
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In this episode of The Bulwark, host Jon Avalon interviews Juan Gonzalez, a former National Security Council staffer with deep expertise in Latin America, to dissect the Trump administration's foreign policy approach in Central and South America—particularly regarding Venezuela, Iran, and Cuba. Gonzalez argues that the administration’s coercive strategy, driven by a desire for regime change and resource access, has failed to account for long-term consequences, leading to instability without sustainable outcomes. He critiques the lack of coordination with allies, the underestimation of Iran’s ability to disrupt global oil markets via the Strait of Hormuz, and the flawed assumption that Venezuela’s oil and gas reserves can quickly benefit U.S. energy security. While acknowledging some progress in stabilizing Venezuela under Delcy Rodríguez, Gonzalez warns that the administration’s focus on oil and migration risks sidelining democratic transition and marginalizing opposition leaders like Maria Corina Machado. He contrasts this with the Biden administration’s democracy-first approach, highlighting a dangerous shift toward resource-driven interventionism. The conversation turns sharply to Cuba, where Gonzalez contends that U.S. policy—particularly the embargo—may be doing more harm than the Cuban regime itself. He draws a parallel between Cuba’s current humanitarian crisis and Haiti’s collapse, emphasizing the brain drain and deteriorating living conditions. While Rubio and other hardliners view Venezuela as a stepping stone to change in Cuba, Gonzalez warns this strategy is shortsighted and potentially counterproductive. He stresses that without a clear democratic vision, U.S. intervention risks entrenching authoritarian pragmatism over genuine reform. The episode underscores a broader theme: foreign policy driven by immediate gains often undermines long-term stability and democratic aspirations.
U.S. foreign policy in Latin America is increasingly driven by resource extraction and regime change, often at the expense of democratic transitions.
The Trump administration’s approach to Venezuela prioritizes economic stabilization and oil access over free and fair elections, risking long-term democratic backsliding.
Delcy Rodríguez’s role in Venezuela’s transition may be more pragmatic than ideological, but her rise raises concerns about exclusion of opposition leaders like Maria Corina Machado.
The U.S. embargo on Cuba may be exacerbating humanitarian conditions more than the Cuban regime itself, creating a crisis comparable to Haiti’s collapse.
Iran’s ability to disrupt global oil markets via the Strait of Hormuz is underestimated, and U.S. policy lacks coordination and foresight.
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The Humanitarian Crisis in Cuba
“You know what I worry about is, I think today Cuba is more comparable to the situation in Haiti than it is to any other part.”
U.S. Foreign Policy and the Iran Escalation
Gonzalez critiques the Trump administration’s approach to Iran, arguing it failed to anticipate second-order effects like global oil market disruption and lack of alliance coordination.
Venezuela: A Resource-Driven Intervention
The discussion turns to Venezuela, where Gonzalez explains the administration’s focus on oil and gas extraction, despite limited near-term benefits and long-term recovery timelines.
The Delcy Rodríguez Dilemma
“You can't really throw that by the wayside.”
Cuba and the Embargo Paradox
“I think today Cuba is more comparable to the situation in Haiti than it is to any other part.”
“I think this administration, I think, to a certain extent, really was drunk on coercive power and felt that they could actually promote regime change in a place like Iran that is much more complicated than even Iraq or Afghanistan.”
“You know what I worry about is, I think today Cuba is more comparable to the situation in Haiti than it is to any other part.”
“The U.S. cannot affect the price of gas at home despite being the world’s top oil and gas producer due to global interdependence.”
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