Did JD Vance Tell the Pope to Shut Up?

The Bulwark35mApril 14, 2026

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The Bulwark podcast episode dives into the political fallout from J.D. Vance's controversial remarks suggesting the Pope should 'shut up' and stick to moral matters, contrasting this with Vance's own Catholic conversion memoir and public image. Hosts JVL, Sarah Longwell, and Tim Miller dissect the hypocrisy and performative religiosity, questioning whether Vance and Donald Trump are genuinely spiritual or merely leveraging faith for political gain. The discussion expands into Trump's broader foreign policy failures, particularly his botched diplomatic efforts in Hungary and Pakistan, which led to a failed ceasefire and an ongoing naval blockade—deemed an act of war by some. The hosts argue this escalation, combined with economic fallout and Trump's erratic behavior (including the 'Trump is Jesus' AI image), signals a deeper crisis of legitimacy and control within the MAGA movement. They explore growing skepticism among evangelicals, with some even speculating Trump may be demon-possessed, and note a surprising shift in public sentiment toward Marco Rubio as a more credible alternative. The episode concludes with a warning about the constitutional implications of a war without congressional authorization and the long-term political risks of the Iran conflict.

Key Takeaways
1

J.D. Vance's call for the Pope to 'shut up' contradicts his public image as a Catholic convert and undermines his credibility.

2

Trump's foreign policy failures—especially in Hungary and Pakistan—have led to a failed ceasefire and a de facto naval blockade, which may constitute an act of war.

3

The economic consequences of the Iran blockade are already affecting supply chains and will worsen, potentially leading to voter backlash.

4

Trump's 'Trump is Jesus' AI image and erratic behavior are eroding his legitimacy, even among loyalists.

5

A growing number of conservatives are viewing Marco Rubio as a more competent and serious alternative to J.D. Vance.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

The Pope Controversy and Vance's Hypocrisy

The guy who has a church that isn't Catholic, but he's never been to on the cover of his book about converting to Catholicism then says before the book drops that the Pope should shut his fucking pie hole. Sure. Why not?

Highlight
2:25
5 min

Trump's Religious Performances and the 'Jesus' AI Image

If my doctor showed up in a white tunic with a red sash and a ball of light in her hand, I would say... am I dying? Like, is this the end for me? What is going on?

Highlight
7:30
8 min

The Failed Diplomacy in Hungary and Pakistan

The ceasefire is now over. So this isn't just he didn't get the deal done. It's that like the ceasefire we had has fallen apart. Not great. Not great.

Highlight
15:00
10 min

The Economic and Political Fallout of the Iran War

The discussion turns to the economic consequences of the ongoing blockade, including rising beef prices and supply chain disruptions. The hosts warn that prolonged conflict will lead to voter backlash and political instability.

25:00
10 min

The Rise of Marco Rubio and the Crisis of MAGA Leadership

The hosts explore a growing shift in conservative sentiment toward Marco Rubio as a more credible alternative to J.D. Vance. They discuss the psychological appeal of Rubio’s competence and the vacuum left by Trump’s declining authority.

High-Impact Quotes
I genuinely believe Trump is currently demon possessed. This is interesting. It's an interesting data point because it's getting bad advice.
JVL13:08
Viral: 88.0
The guy who has a church that isn't Catholic, but he's never been to on the cover of his book about converting to Catholicism then says before the book drops that the Pope should shut his fucking pie hole. Sure. Why not?
JVL3:16
Viral: 85.0
I will tell you if I wind up anywhere and see Donald Trump there, I will know immediately I'm in hell. Even if it's not actual hell, it will certainly be my hell.
Sarah Longwell7:20
Viral: 82.0
Speakers

Hosts

JVLSarah LongwellTim Miller
Topics Discussed
Catholicism and Political Hypocrisy92%The Iran War and Naval Blockade90%Trump's Foreign Policy Failures89%Economic Impact of War87%MAGA Leadership Crisis85%Constitutional War Powers82%Religious Performative Politics80%Marco Rubio's Rising Credibility78%
People & Brands

Donald Trump

person

35xNegative

J.D. Vance

person

22xNegative

Pope

person

18xNeutral

Marco Rubio

person

12xPositive

Rod Dreher

person

8xNeutral

Viktor Orban

person

6xNegative

Tucker Carlson

person

5xNeutral

Riley Gaines

person

4xNegative

John Paul II

person

4xPositive

The Bulwark

organization

3xPositive

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