Best of full interview: Jordan Carlos On Becoming A Better Partner, Emotional Maturity, New Book 'Choreplay' + More

In this standout episode of The Breakfast Club, host Charlemagne Tha God sits down with Jordan Carlos, author of the new book *Choreplay: The Marriage Saving Magic of Getting Your Head Out Your Ass*, for a candid, humorous, and deeply reflective conversation about emotional maturity, male vulnerability, and the hidden labor in relationships. Carlos shares how writing the book became a transformative act of self-reflection during the pandemic, when he realized he’d become a stranger in his own home—emotionally disconnected and uninvolved in household responsibilities. His journey from a man-child mindset to becoming a more present partner began with small, intentional actions: making coffee, doing the dishes, checking pantry levels, and taking initiative on family tasks. He emphasizes that men don’t need rigid systems or charts—just a shift in mindset, a sense of ownership, and the courage to be the 'quartermaster' of their home. The conversation also explores the cultural and systemic barriers that make it hard for men to participate, the role of emotional labor, and how simple acts—like saying 'it’s time to go' at a party—can be powerful gestures of partnership. Carlos reflects on his own upbringing, the influence of his father’s absence, and how his wife’s strength as a 'field general' inspired him to step up. Ultimately, *Choreplay* is framed not as a chore list, but as a manifesto for emotional intelligence, intimacy, and redefining masculinity through care and contribution.