The ‘Star Wars’ Rankings and the 'Andor' Miracle

The Big Picture1h 21mMay 4, 2026

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On May the 4th, Sean Fennessy and guest Chris Ryan dive deep into the critically acclaimed Andor Season 2, positioning it as a transformative achievement in the Star Wars canon. They explore how Tony Gilroy’s vision redefined the franchise by treating Star Wars not as mythic fantasy but as a grounded, morally complex revolutionary narrative—drawing inspiration from real-world resistance movements and Cold War-era conspiracy thrillers. The conversation spans the show’s literary structure, its unflinching portrayal of political compromise and sacrifice, and its deliberate absence of Force mysticism, which paradoxically deepens the galaxy’s emotional weight. The hosts then rank 13 Star Wars films and series, placing Andor at number three—behind The Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope—arguing its intellectual and emotional resonance makes it the most mature and impactful Star Wars work for adult audiences. They also reflect on the broader state of the franchise, lamenting the studio’s failure to sustain bold storytelling beyond Gilroy’s work, and speculate on what might have been had earlier creative decisions—like Michael Arndt’s original script for The Force Awakens—been realized. Key takeaways include: Andor redefines Star Wars as a political thriller with Russian novel depth; the show’s strength lies in its episodic, novel-like structure and morally ambiguous characters; the absence of the Force and Jedi makes the galaxy feel more real and lived-in; Andor’s success was possible only because of the Star Wars brand’s cache, which allowed a $600 million budget and creative freedom; and the ranking reflects a mature, adult perspective that values thematic depth over nostalgia. The episode ultimately celebrates Andor as a rare masterpiece of television that transcends genre, proving that Star Wars can be both epic and intimate, revolutionary and deeply human.

Key Takeaways
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Andor redefines Star Wars as a grounded political thriller with the depth of a Russian novel.

2

The show’s episodic, novel-like structure allows for deep character arcs and thematic exploration.

3

By removing the Force and Jedi, Andor makes the galaxy feel more real and emotionally weighty.

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Andor’s success was enabled by the Star Wars brand’s cachet, allowing a $600M budget and creative freedom.

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The ranking places Andor third, behind Empire and New Hope, reflecting its status as the most mature Star Wars work for adults.

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Chapters
0:00
5 min

May the Fourth: Honoring Andor and the Star Wars Legacy

Sean Fennessy kicks off the episode on May the 4th, setting the stage for a deep dive into Andor Season 2. He welcomes Chris Ryan, a self-proclaimed 'Tony Gilroy whisperer,' and reflects on the cultural significance of Star Wars, especially as a shared generational experience. The hosts express their personal journeys with the franchise, from childhood wonder to adult skepticism, setting the tone for a mature, reflective conversation.

5:00
10 min

Andor as Revolutionary Literature: The Birth of a Political Epic

Andor is the only show that has ever made me feel like I was watching a Russian novel in the Star Wars universe.

Highlight
15:00
15 min

The Power of Character: Gilroy’s Vision and the Death of the Hero

Andor does not have that move. You want your cake and you want to eat it too. You want us all to go through the anguish of seeing a beloved character die and then instantly take away that feeling by bringing him back to life.

Highlight
30:00
20 min

The Gorman Massacre: A Masterclass in Filmmaking and Political Psychology

Cyril's death from that whole thing. And the idea that they spent so much time on a guy whose life amounted to pretty much nothing and who has forgotten to history almost instantly.

Highlight
50:00
25 min

The Star Wars Rankings: A Mature, Adult Perspective

Andor is the crowning achievement of Star Wars, especially in my adult life.

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High-Impact Quotes
Andor is the crowning achievement of Star Wars, especially in my adult life.
Chris Ryan3:35
Viral: 92.0
Andor does not have that move. You want your cake and you want to eat it too.
Sean Fennessy16:48
Viral: 88.0
Cyril's death from that whole thing. And the idea that they spent so much time on a guy whose life amounted to pretty much nothing and who has forgotten to history almost instantly.
Chris Ryan39:08
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Sean Fennessy

Guest

Chris Ryan
Topics Discussed
Star Wars Franchise Legacy95%Political Thriller Storytelling92%Character-Driven Narrative90%Moral Ambiguity in Fiction88%Creative Freedom in Streaming85%Star Wars Rankings83%Absence of the Force80%Historical Parallels in Fiction78%
People & Brands

Andor

other

45xPositive

Sean Fennessy

person

25xNeutral

Chris Ryan

person

22xPositive

Rogue One

media

20xPositive

Tony Gilroy

person

18xPositive

The Empire Strikes Back

media

15xPositive

A New Hope

media

14xPositive

Dave Filoni

person

12xNegative

Return of the Jedi

media

10xPositive

The Mandalorian

other

10xPositive

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