Ep 259: The Honourable Prue Car on Equity and the Future of Public Schools.

The Art of Teaching26mApril 15, 2026

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In this episode of The Art of Teaching podcast, host Matthew interviews The Honourable Prue Carr, Deputy Premier of New South Wales and Minister for Education and Early Learning. Prue shares her personal journey, highlighting the profound impact of her high school English teacher, Mrs. Elbrough, whose advice to 'be yourself unapologetically' continues to guide her leadership. She reflects on how becoming a parent has made her political work deeply personal, especially in advocating for public education. Prue discusses transformative policies under her leadership, including the largest teacher pay rise in a generation, a $3.5 billion investment in Western Sydney schools, and the expansion of public preschools. She emphasizes the importance of listening to educators, citing the appointment of a teacher-turned-department secretary as a pivotal change. Prue also addresses challenges like teacher shortages, workload, and public perception, advocating for cultural change that values educators and public schools. Her vision for legacy centers on being a minister who truly listened and responded to the teaching profession, enabling better student outcomes and systemic improvement. The conversation underscores the emotional and relational core of education, with Prue describing classroom moments as 'magical' and the best part of her job. She stresses that policy must be grounded in on-the-ground realities, advocating for trust, respect, and visibility in leadership. The episode closes with a powerful message: when teachers feel valued and supported by government, they can thrive, and students benefit. Matthew expresses deep gratitude for Prue’s work and the positive shift in public education under her leadership, calling it a 'joy and a privilege' to be part of this transformation.

Key Takeaways
1

Prioritize listening to educators—real policy change begins with hearing the profession.

2

Teacher pay and working conditions are critical to attracting and retaining talent.

3

Investing in school infrastructure and preschools builds community pride and student wellbeing.

4

Leadership is most effective when it’s grounded in personal experience and regular school visits.

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The emotional impact of teaching—how students feel in classrooms—lasts a lifetime.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introduction and Acknowledgement

Matthew introduces the podcast, acknowledges the Dharawal people as traditional custodians, and welcomes Prue Carr as the guest. He emphasizes the importance of subscriptions and community support.

2:00
3 min

Prue Carr’s Background and Leadership Role

Matthew outlines Prue Carr’s political career, her appointment as Deputy Premier and Minister for Education, and her focus on equity and public education in New South Wales.

5:00
5 min

Transformative Education Policies

We're delivering the largest ever expansion of public preschools in the state's history.

Highlight
10:00
5 min

The Power of a Teacher: Mrs. Elbrough’s Legacy

Her advice to me was to just always be yourself, you know, just be yourself unapologetically.

Highlight
15:00
5 min

Parenting and Politics: Making Education Personal

Prue discusses how becoming a parent transformed her perspective, deepening her empathy for families and teachers. She shares her role as a 'flag bearer' for educators in her household.

High-Impact Quotes
You would never go and have surgery and think that you could tell the surgeon what to do. But teachers were treated differently, which was not acceptable to me.
Prue Carr13:09
Viral: 90.0
I would like the legacy to be that teachers could look back and say, okay, like we had a minister that actually listened to us.
Prue Carr24:05
Viral: 88.0
Her advice to me was to just always be yourself, you know, just be yourself unapologetically.
Prue Carr5:24
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Matthew

Guest

Prue Carr
Topics Discussed
Leadership and Listening95%Educational Equity92%Teacher Pay and Retention90%Public School Infrastructure88%Cultural Change in Education85%Early Childhood Education80%Teacher Wellbeing and Workload78%Parental Perspective in Policy75%
People & Brands

Prue Carr

person

45xPositive

Matthew

person

32xPositive

New South Wales

organization

28xPositive

Western Sydney

place

15xPositive

The Art of Teaching

media

12xPositive

Mrs. Elbrough

person

8xPositive

Department of Education NSW

organization

6xPositive

Kindergarten

other

4xPositive

Labor Government

other

4xPositive

Chris Minns

person

3xPositive

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