Klavans On The Culture Ep. 3: Michael | Should This Movie Be Made?

The Andrew Klavan Show45mMay 7, 2026

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In this episode of 'Klavans On The Culture,' host Andrew Klavan and guest discuss the controversial biopic 'Michael,' a musical film about Michael Jackson directed by Antoine Fuqua and starring his nephew Jafar Jackson. The conversation centers on the film's omission of the serious pedophilia allegations that shadowed Jackson’s later life, despite legal constraints preventing the filmmakers from including them. Klavan and his guest express deep moral discomfort with the film’s hagiographic tone, arguing that it sanitizes a deeply troubled figure by portraying him as a childlike, divinely inspired artist while ignoring his documented psychological and behavioral issues. They explore the broader philosophical question of whether art can be separated from the artist, drawing on historical and literary examples—from Shakespeare and Oscar Wilde to Plato’s Symposium—to argue that while art can transcend its creator’s flaws, complete moral erasure of the artist’s actions is both dishonest and dangerous. The episode ultimately grapples with the tension between artistic appreciation and ethical accountability, especially in the context of cultural memory and racial dynamics in American entertainment. The hosts reflect on the emotional power of music as a transcendent force that can elevate the soul, even when created by deeply broken individuals. They acknowledge the complexity of idolizing artists whose lives were marred by abuse, addiction, and moral failure, while cautioning against both cancel culture and uncritical veneration. They conclude that the true tragedy lies not in loving art created by flawed people, but in pretending those flaws never existed—especially when they involve the abuse of children. The episode ends with a call to action for listeners to support the show, emphasizing its role as a space for honest, nuanced cultural conversation in an era of increasing polarization.

Key Takeaways
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Art can be profoundly beautiful and spiritually elevating even when created by morally compromised individuals.

2

The omission of serious allegations against Michael Jackson in the biopic constitutes a moral failure, regardless of legal constraints.

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The desire to venerate artists like Jackson often stems from a longing to believe in a pure, transcendent source of creativity.

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We must resist both cancel culture and uncritical hero-worship, instead embracing a balanced view that acknowledges both art and artist.

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The separation of art from the artist is not a moral evasion but a necessary act of discernment, especially when dealing with works that have deep cultural and spiritual significance.

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3 min

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2:30
5 min

The Michael Jackson Biopic: A Cultural Flashpoint

It's not just the movie, which again, it's not like they tried to deal with it. kind of well and then had to stop because of legal reasons. They tried to deal with it by defaming the accuser, right?

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7:30
10 min

The Ethics of Omission: Pedophilia, Evidence, and Legal Constraints

I feel that the evidence against him is very, very large. He said to – he admitted that he liked sleeping with children but said it was innocent. I don't believe that.

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17:30
13 min

Is the Film a Bad Movie or a Bad Act?

There's a certain degree of just like part of what makes this movie empty and somehow corrupting, I think, is like the fact that there's a big unstated reality.

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30:00
15 min

Art vs. Artist: The Philosophical Dilemma

The thing with Bill Cosby, that's also kind of, you know, he knocked women out. And then and that's not even a fantasy. As you pointed out at the time, he didn't like not that it would have been fine if he did, but he didn't have to.

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High-Impact Quotes
We're saying that these treasures in clay jars and the jars can be really hideously broken as we both think Jackson was.
Andrew Klavan37:07
Viral: 90.0
Art is almost this angelic... glimpse, you know, music especially. That's it. It is a glimpse of what the soul could be.
Andrew Klavan37:55
Viral: 88.0
We lose something if we cancel art because of the artist. Yes. And yet, we also lose something if we don't tell the truth.
Andrew Klavan43:59
Viral: 87.0
Speakers

Host

Andrew Klavan
Topics Discussed
Michael Jackson Biopic95%Pedophilia and Moral Accountability92%Art and Artist Separation90%Cancel Culture and Moral Nuance88%Cultural Memory and Legacy85%The Role of Music in Spiritual Experience80%Hollywood Biopics and Historical Accuracy75%Race and Representation in Entertainment70%
People & Brands

Michael Jackson

person

42xMixed

Bill Cosby

person

8xMixed

Jafar Jackson

person

7xPositive

Plato

person

6xPositive

John Nolte

person

6xMixed

Oscar Wilde

person

5xMixed

Frank Sinatra

person

5xPositive

Antoine Fuqua

person

5xPositive

Candace Owens

person

4xNeutral

The Portrait of Dorian Gray

book

4xPositive

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