Doesn’t Perfect Justice Require That the Penalty Be Paid By the Offender?

#STRask23mApril 2, 2026

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This episode of #STRask explores the theological question of whether perfect justice requires that the penalty for sin be paid directly by the offender, particularly in light of the Christian doctrine of penal substitution—where Jesus bears the penalty for humanity's sins. Greg Kokel and Amy Hall respond to a question from Todd in Burbank, affirming that justice is not an abstract moral law but is grounded in the will of the offended party—God. Drawing from Bill Craig’s work and biblical texts like Romans 3 and 1 Peter, they argue that God, as sovereign and offended by sin, determines what satisfies justice. The analogy of criminal justice systems—where fines can be paid by others—illustrates how substitution is both legally and morally coherent. The hosts emphasize that the alternative to Christ’s substitutionary atonement is either endless punishment for sinners or the abandonment of justice altogether, neither of which is tenable. They then turn to Wendy’s question about 'sharing in the sufferings of Christ,' clarifying that this primarily refers to persecution for faith and spiritual warfare against sin, not suffering as a general life condition. They distinguish between Christ’s once-for-all atonement and our participation in suffering as a means of sanctification and witness, rooted in Romans 6, Philippians 3, and 1 Peter. The conversation underscores the cross as the only framework that harmonizes divine justice and mercy, while affirming the believer’s identity in Christ through suffering and perseverance.

Key Takeaways
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Perfect justice is not an impersonal law but depends on the offended party—God—determining what satisfies justice.

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Substitutionary atonement is biblically and legally coherent, as seen in real-world systems where fines or penalties can be paid by others.

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The alternative to Christ paying our penalty is either eternal punishment for sinners or the denial of justice—both morally unacceptable.

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Sharing in Christ’s sufferings primarily means enduring persecution for faith and actively putting sin to death through sanctification.

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Christ’s suffering was fully adequate; human suffering does not add to the atonement but reflects our union with Christ.

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Chapters
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10 min

The Nature of Justice and the Role of the Offended Party

The one who determines what's ultimately just is the one who is ultimately offended. So God is the one ultimately offended being the sovereign of the universe. So he is the one whose law is broken. And if God deems a substitute like Jesus to be adequate payment for our sins, then justice has been satisfied.

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7 min

Substitution in Human Justice and Its Theological Parallel

The hosts use real-world examples—like paying parking tickets or prison sentences—to illustrate how substitution is accepted in human legal systems. They emphasize that the government, as the offended party, can accept payment from a third party, just as God can accept Christ’s sacrifice.

17:00
6 min

The Alternatives to Penal Substitution: Why They Fail

There is either no justice done when it should be done or justice is done by the sinners themselves paying. That's not very attractive. Or there's no justice done because there's no such thing as justice, because there is no God and there is no moral grounding.

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23:00
2 min

Interpreting 'Sharing in the Sufferings of Christ'

Amy addresses Wendy’s question about sharing in Christ’s sufferings. She clarifies that this primarily refers to persecution for faith and the spiritual battle against sin, not general hardships like sickness or financial loss.

25:00
4 min

Suffering as Sanctification and Identity in Christ

He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross. That's the phrase I'm looking at. For by his wounds, you were healed.

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High-Impact Quotes
There is either no justice done when it should be done or justice is done by the sinners themselves paying. That's not very attractive. Or there's no justice done because there's no such thing as justice, because there is no God and there is no moral grounding.
Greg Kokel9:21
Viral: 90.0
The one who determines what's ultimately just is the one who is ultimately offended. So God is the one ultimately offended being the sovereign of the universe. So he is the one whose law is broken. And if God deems a substitute like Jesus to be adequate payment for our sins, then justice has been satisfied.
Greg Kokel3:57
Viral: 85.0
This is why the cross is brilliant. There's no—I mean, I'm trying to think. I cannot think of any other philosophy or religion that will maintain justice and offer grace.
Greg Kokel10:18
Viral: 80.0
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Greg KokelAmy Hall
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