Building a Business You Actually Enjoy (The Whole PIE of Profit, Impact, and Enjoyment) | Andy Clark
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In this episode of Spartan Leadership, host Josh Kosnick sits down with Andy Clark, bestselling author and creator of The Whole Pie System, to explore the journey of building a business that is not only profitable but also impactful and enjoyable. Andy shares his evolution from a corporate lawyer in Canada to a small business coach in Costa Rica, highlighting the pivotal moment when he realized his career lacked alignment with his values and joy. He discusses the emotional toll of entrepreneurship, including imposter syndrome and doubt, while emphasizing the importance of balancing 'delusion' (belief in oneself) with 'doubt' (realistic self-checking). Andy's Whole Pie framework—focused on profit, impact, and enjoyment—emerges from years of trial, error, and personal growth, particularly through his failed venture, Wellness Lawyer, and subsequent leadership roles in small businesses. The conversation delves into practical tools for business owners, such as identifying frustrations and taking small, tactical steps to improve enjoyment, and underscores the need for systems like EOS and The Whole Pie to support businesses in the $1M–$5M range. Andy concludes with a powerful vision of legacy: living a great life, making a difference, and helping others do the same—both in business and in personal relationships.
Profit, impact, and enjoyment are equally critical metrics for sustainable business success.
Entrepreneurs must balance belief (delusion) with self-doubt to stay grounded and resilient.
Small business owners can improve enjoyment by identifying and eliminating specific frustrations in their operations.
A business system should be accessible and affordable—The Whole Pie offers a lower barrier to entry than high-cost frameworks like EOS.
Core values should not be compromised for convenience; they guide long-term decisions and life direction.
…and 2 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Delusion-Doubt Balance in Entrepreneurship
“Other days, the delusion trumps the doubt. And that way you've created helps people. It's not for everyone. Not everyone's going to put their hand up and say yes. But for those that do, it's really going to help them.”
From Law to Leadership: The Misalignment Journey
Andy recounts his 12-year career as a corporate lawyer, where he was good at his job but lacked passion and purpose. He shares the emotional and practical challenges of leaving a stable career to pursue entrepreneurship, including fear, doubt, and his wife’s initial resistance.
The Failed Parachute: Lessons from Wellness Lawyer
Andy discusses his first entrepreneurial venture, Wellness Lawyer, which failed despite strong intentions. He reflects on the lessons learned—especially about market timing, belief in ideas, and the reality of building a business without a solid foundation.
Building The Whole Pie: From Trial to System
“The barrier to entry is much less than 30 to 50k a year. Yeah. Tire an EOS implementer.”
The Power of Small Wins: A Client’s Breakthrough Story
“There was a big gap. There was way too much demand, not enough capacity to meet that demand. So good problem to have, I suppose.”
“Our core values didn't align with how, I'll just talk about our experience, the Canadian government... And that's why we're living in Costa Rica.”
“Other days, the delusion trumps the doubt. And that way you've created helps people. It's not for everyone. Not everyone's going to put their hand up and say yes. But for those that do, it's really going to help them.”
“I would like people to say about me that he lived a great life.”
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Andy Clark
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Josh Kosnick
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The Whole Pie System
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EOS
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Costa Rica
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Canada
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Wellness Lawyer
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Jim Collins
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Amazon
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