Pauline Chalamet Loves The Suburbs
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In this heartfelt and candid episode of So True with Caleb Hearon, guest Pauline Chalamet opens up about her life, identity, and creative journey with a mix of humor, vulnerability, and deep reflection. From her childhood fascination with suburban life in Pelham, New York, to her formative experiences with Liza Minnelli and the theater, Pauline reflects on how curiosity about others’ lives shaped her worldview. She discusses her struggles with self-expression, handwriting, and the pressure of public image, while also embracing her authenticity—especially in her role in The Devil Wears Prada 2. The conversation dives into themes of resilience, parenting, sexuality, and the emotional toll of auditioning, with Pauline sharing her journey from self-doubt to self-acceptance. She also reveals her love for Reddit, her aversion to social media, and her belief in the power of sincerity and connection over perfection. The episode closes with a playful rapid-fire quiz, underscoring her sharp mind and endearing humility.
Resilience is built through lived experience, not just inspiration from others.
Authenticity and sincerity are powerful, even when they feel uncool.
Curiosity about other people’s lives is healthier than envy.
Parenting is about trust, adventure, and letting kids navigate safely.
The emotional toll of auditioning is real—protecting your heart is essential.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Power of Lived Experience
“It's the data that you have to build on your own of your own life. Knowing that other people did it is beautiful in the point of art in many ways, but also just can't give you the resolve of like, I can do things.”
Suburbia, Childhood, and Liza Minnelli
Pauline recounts her childhood fascination with suburban life in Pelham, New York, and how a chance encounter with Liza Minnelli at a dance studio sparked her lifelong love for performance and storytelling.
The Art of Authenticity in Public Life
“I just get a little bit bored sometimes and I have to lie. But honestly, like I totally understand when you look at like the way people get fried doing press tours.”
Parenting with Trust and Adventure
“I want this kid to have a sense of adventure and not fear of anyone else. That's like my one of the biggest things.”
Coming Out and the Weight of Identity
Pauline recounts her journey of self-discovery—from realizing she was gay in third grade to coming out as bisexual before finally embracing her identity. She reflects on the shame and confusion of growing up in a conservative environment.
“We have to stop finger wagging and we have to stop talking down. And we have to invite people to the party.”
“It's the data that you have to build on your own of your own life. Knowing that other people did it is beautiful in the point of art in many ways, but also just can't give you the resolve of like, I can do things.”
“I want this kid to have a sense of adventure and not fear of anyone else. That's like my one of the biggest things.”
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