What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future - TBD Tries... Vibe Coding
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In this episode of What Next TBD, hosts Lizzie O'Leary and Evan Campbell take on the challenge of 'vibe coding'—using agentic AI like Claude Code to build a web game with no prior coding experience. Guided by Slate’s Chief Technology Officer, Greg LaValle, they navigate the steep learning curve of terminal commands, AI setup, and prompt engineering. Their goal: create a simulation game about being a podcast producer for Slate’s What Next TBD, complete with narrative tension, sponsor interference, and character stats. After a chaotic setup and multiple failed attempts, they produce a playable prototype in under an hour. While the final game is functionally intact but visually and mechanically flawed, the real value lies in the process: demonstrating how AI is democratizing prototyping, accelerating development, and reshaping the role of software engineers. Guest Clive Thompson unpacks the broader implications—how AI is automating routine coding tasks, threatening junior developer roles, and potentially enabling small businesses to access custom software. Yet, the episode also raises urgent questions about job displacement, code readability, and the future of professional identity in a world where anyone can 'code' with a prompt. Despite the game’s shortcomings, the team concludes that human creativity, storytelling, and editorial judgment remain irreplaceable—especially in journalism. The episode captures a pivotal moment in tech history: the shift from coding as a specialized skill to a tool accessible to non-experts. While AI lowers the barrier to entry for building digital products, it also deepens the divide between those who can conceptualize and those who can manage the systems. The hosts reflect on the irony of their own 'dumb' game being made possible by AI, while real-world developers face existential uncertainty. Ultimately, the takeaway is not that AI will replace humans, but that it will redefine what humans do—shifting focus from execution to vision, ethics, and meaning. The game, though silly, becomes a metaphor: the future isn’t about who can code, but who can ask the right questions.
Vibe coding with AI like Claude Code allows non-coders to prototype functional web apps and games in minutes, drastically reducing the time from idea to playable product.
AI is automating the 'grunt work' of coding—repetitive, boilerplate tasks—freeing experienced developers to focus on architecture, ethics, and high-level design.
The rise of agentic AI threatens junior developer jobs, as companies may no longer need to hire entry-level coders to perform routine coding tasks.
Small and mid-sized businesses can now afford custom software through AI, potentially disrupting traditional software development markets.
Even experienced engineers struggle to read AI-generated code, signaling a future where code may be written and maintained primarily by machines.
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The Vibe Coding Challenge Begins
“Could we, the TBD team, with almost no coding experience, very little time and a terrible sense of humor, vibe code our way to fame?”
The AI Builds the Game
“Now it's showing us this plan. It just spit out this plan for us in just like a normal text, like I said, like a one-pager.”
The Game Is Built (But It’s Bad)
The team plays the first version of the game, which is functional but visually confusing and hard to navigate. They request a redesign in a 'slaty' aesthetic, and the AI delivers a new version—still flawed, but more on-brand. The game is playable, but not enjoyable or polished.
The Human Cost of AI Coding
“One of the problems with hiring a new person is what they call the onboarding problem. They have to learn the way that the company works.”
The Future of Programming
The episode examines how AI could reshape the software industry: shrinking junior roles, enabling small businesses to access custom software, and changing the value of coding as a profession. Greg LaValle reflects on how AI is already changing Slate’s internal workflows and prototyping process.
“We're going to keep making shows as humans by humans because at least so far, we can still do it better.”
“The real value in the future will shift from technical execution to creative vision, narrative design, and ethical judgment—areas where humans still excel.”
“If Greg, who has been doing this for 20 years, can't read the code, what hope does an entry-level programmer have?”
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