Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts - Was it Worth it, Pam?
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In this episode of Amicus, Dahlia Lithwick and co-host Mark Joseph Stern dissect a pivotal week in American legal and political life, focusing on the fallout from President Trump's unprecedented appearance at Supreme Court oral arguments in the birthright citizenship case. They analyze the dramatic ousting of Attorney General Pamela Jo Bondi, whom they characterize as one of the most damaging AGs in history due to her erosion of DOJ independence, attacks on judges, and failure to deliver on Trump’s vendetta-driven agenda. The hosts contrast Bondi’s incompetence with her successor, Todd Blanche, a similarly loyal but even more combative figure, warning that neither will succeed in subverting the rule of law. The episode also examines the Supreme Court’s rebuke of Trump’s legal strategy in the birthright citizenship case, where Solicitor General John Sauer’s arguments were widely seen as incoherent and historically flawed, leading to a likely decisive defeat for the administration. Meanwhile, the Court’s 8-1 decision in *Childs v. Salazar*—which struck down laws banning conversion therapy for LGBTQ youth—sparks deep concern, as the majority used the First Amendment to shield religiously motivated speech, even in professional therapy, undermining public health protections. The hosts lament the Court’s consistent weaponization of free speech doctrine to advance conservative religious agendas while ignoring the harms to vulnerable populations.
Pam Bondi’s tenure as AG was marked by systemic damage to DOJ independence and a relentless campaign against political opponents, making her removal a rare moment of accountability.
Trump’s attempt to intimidate the Supreme Court by attending oral arguments backfired, reinforcing the Court’s institutional independence and signaling a loss of political leverage.
Solicitor General John Sauer’s arguments in the birthright citizenship case were widely criticized as historically incoherent and legally unsound, suggesting a fundamental failure of legal strategy.
The *Childs v. Salazar* decision represents a dangerous expansion of First Amendment protections for religious speech in professional settings, threatening public health and anti-discrimination laws.
The Supreme Court continues to function as a bulwark against executive overreach, but its conservative majority remains deeply committed to advancing a religiously inflected vision of free speech at the expense of marginalized communities.
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Pam Bondi’s Exit and the DOJ’s Collapse
“It's an unqualified good. I could add to your list. It is extensive.”
The Failure of Loyalty: Bondi vs. Blanche
“She wasn't good at the small bore vindictive hate filled. This is all Trump wanted from his AG.”
Trump’s Supreme Court Appearance: A Miscalculation
“It just seemed like a really outrageous and calamitous miscalculation if that was his goal.”
The Birthright Citizenship Case: A Legal Blowout
“It just does not look like anyone was picking up what John Sauer kept putting down.”
“The majority hates pro-LGBTQ protections. The majority wants to strike down laws that protect LGBTQ people, especially youth.”
“She wasn't good at the small bore vindictive hate filled. This is all Trump wanted from his AG.”
“It's an unqualified good. I could add to your list. It is extensive.”
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pamela jo bondi
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dahlia lithwick
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