Advancing AI Fluency With Grit and Growth Mindset
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In this heartfelt and insightful episode of She Said Privacy, He Said Security, hosts Jodi and Justin Daniels open with a touching tribute to their recent personal losses—Jodi’s father and their beloved office dog, Basil—before diving into a powerful discussion on AI fluency, governance, and innovation. Guest Gabrielle Kohlmeyer, a transformation executive and legal tech innovator, shares her journey from antitrust law to leading global AI adoption at Verizon, emphasizing that true AI fluency goes beyond tool usage to include deep understanding of data, ethics, risk, and human-AI collaboration. She critiques 'precious governance'—overly formalized, unused policies—and advocates for living, breathing governance that evolves through continuous feedback. Kohlmeyer stresses the importance of creating psychological safety for experimentation, right-sizing risk, and fostering a growth mindset. She offers practical advice on staying current without burnout, recommending curated resources like the ABA’s 21 Days of AI Grit and Growth Mindset Challenge and trusted podcasts. The episode concludes with a personal note on the value of disengaging from tech through activities like ballet, underscoring balance in a high-stakes digital world.
True AI fluency means understanding not just how to use tools, but why they work, what data they touch, and the ethical trade-offs involved.
Avoid 'precious governance'—policies that are perfect on paper but never used—by embedding governance into daily workflows with feedback loops.
Create psychological safety for innovation by establishing clear guardrails, not rigid controls, to enable responsible experimentation.
Stay current without burnout by curating a few trusted sources and focusing on big-picture shifts, not every daily AI announcement.
Build AI fluency through inclusive, collaborative learning—like hackathons and monthly check-ins—rather than top-down mandates.
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Opening Tribute: Loss, Love, and Legacy
“I believe dogs are people too. So thank you. And if you want to read more about my dad, I wrote something pretty special and meaningful.”
Defining True AI Fluency
“To me, it's really understanding the broader picture and taking the time and having a deliberate framework to not just know how to use AI generally, but all of those broader parameters around it.”
From Antitrust to AI: A Career of Curiosity
Kohlmeyer shares her career journey—from law school outsider to global AI leader at Verizon—highlighting how relentless curiosity and a growth mindset fueled her transformation.
Building AI Fluency: Practical Strategies
“We had a lot of very deliberate touch points... creating monthly reports that we would send out around which tools are being used, how much, not to shame or pressure people, but to create a way to have conversations.”
Governing AI with Grit and Growth
“Policy doesn't work without process and process doesn't work without training. You need all of it together.”
“Assume everybody can see it. Don't put things in there that you don't want to necessarily have other people know because there is no guarantee of privacy.”
“To me, it's really understanding the broader picture and taking the time and having a deliberate framework to not just know how to use AI generally, but all of those broader parameters around it.”
“Policy doesn't work without process and process doesn't work without training. You need all of it together.”
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Gabrielle Kohlmeyer
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Jodi Daniels
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Justin Daniels
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Basil
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Red Clover Advisors
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Verizon
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Antitrust
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ABA Center for Innovation
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21 Days of AI Grit and Growth Mindset Challenge
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