A chimpanzee ‘civil war,’ and NASA plans for nuclear propulsion

Science Magazine Podcast42mApril 9, 2026

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This episode of the Science Magazine Podcast explores two groundbreaking developments in science and animal behavior. First, freelance journalist Hannah Richter discusses NASA's ambitious 2028 mission to send a nuclear fission-powered spacecraft to Mars—known as SR-1 Freedom—marking a potential breakthrough after over 60 years without a fission reactor in space. The mission, while a technology demonstration for future deep-space travel, faces immense bureaucratic hurdles despite existing components from other programs. The second segment features anthropologist Aaron Sandell, who details a rare and violent chimpanzee civil war in Uganda’s Ngogo National Park, where a 200-strong chimp community split into two hostile groups after decades of cohesion. What makes this conflict extraordinary is that the warring parties were once close social partners, challenging assumptions that human-like cultural divides drive warfare. Instead, Sandell suggests that interpersonal tensions, shifting hierarchies, and weakened social bonds—rather than ideology or religion—can ignite lethal conflict, offering profound insights into the roots of human violence and the fragility of social cohesion. The episode underscores the power of long-term field research and the unexpected lessons from nature. From the technical challenges of nuclear propulsion to the emotional toll of witnessing primate warfare, the stories reveal how science often unfolds in surprising, human ways. The takeaway is clear: whether in space or in the wild, the most transformative discoveries often come not from grand theories, but from observing how relationships break down—and how they might be rebuilt.

Key Takeaways
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NASA’s 2028 nuclear-powered Mars mission is a high-risk, high-reward tech demo that could revolutionize deep-space travel by reducing travel time and fuel needs.

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The unprecedented chimpanzee civil war at Ngogo National Park shows that lethal conflict can emerge from internal social fractures, not just external cultural divides.

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Social cohesion in both chimpanzees and humans depends on ongoing bonds and reconciliation—when those break, even long-standing communities can turn on each other.

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Bureaucratic red tape, not technical feasibility, is the biggest barrier to launching nuclear-powered spacecraft, highlighting the gap between innovation and policy.

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Interpersonal dynamics—rivalries, fear of hierarchy shifts, and loss of social connectors—can escalate into large-scale conflict, suggesting peace may begin at the individual level.

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Sponsor: Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai

Introduction to the podcast's sponsor, the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, highlighting its research leadership in cardiology, neuroscience, genomics, and AI, and its top NIH funding rank.

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The Normals: A New Limited Series

Sarah Crespi promotes the new limited series 'The Normals,' a deep dive into the history of human subjects in scientific research, released as part of Science magazine’s special content.

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12 min

NASA’s 2028 Nuclear Mars Mission: A Technological Leap

It's a 60-year dream that if this mission goes as planned, it can come to fruition in only two years.

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23 min

Chimpanzee Civil War: When Friends Become Enemies

It's not about beliefs. It's about history, revenge, personal dynamics. It isn't about some broader meaning.

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Sponsor: Eppendorf and Science Prize for Neurobiology

Promotion of the Eppendorf and Science Prize for Neurobiology, which awards $25,000 to young researchers under 35 for exceptional neurobiological research, with applications due by June 15, 2026.

High-Impact Quotes
It's not about beliefs. It's about history, revenge, personal dynamics. It isn't about some broader meaning.
Aaron Sandell39:13
Viral: 92.0
You can't point to a hundred-year-old conflict. You could say, but have you thought about being friends?
Aaron Sandell38:56
Viral: 88.0
It's a 60-year dream that if this mission goes as planned, it can come to fruition in only two years.
Hannah Richter3:30
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Sarah Crespi

Guests

Hannah RichterAaron Sandell
Topics Discussed
nuclear propulsion in space95%chimpanzee social behavior90%human conflict origins88%interpersonal dynamics in conflict87%social cohesion and community breakdown86%space mission planning and bureaucracy85%animal warfare and territoriality82%long-term field research80%
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Hannah Richter

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Ngogo National Park

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SR-1 Freedom

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Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai

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Kibale National Park

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