Josh Schafer on Nasdaq Momentum, AI Capex, and the Case for Intel
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The market's recent surge to record highs—driven by a 30% rally in hardware ETFs and a sharp rebound in AI infrastructure stocks—has investors reevaluating the sustainability of the current momentum. Josh Schafer of Barron's Investor Circle argues that the rally isn't just about short-term sentiment but reflects a long-term hardware buildout, with chipmakers and AI infrastructure companies leading the charge. While software stocks like ServiceNow have seen sharp pullbacks amid 'SaaSpocalypse' fears, larger, more entrenched players like Microsoft and Oracle are weathering the storm due to their dominant market positions. Intel, despite a 220% rally over the past year and a 200% surge in just weeks, remains a speculative bet—its stock still trading below all-time highs and with earnings expectations not yet reflecting a turnaround. Schafer warns that while the market is pricing in a quick end to geopolitical conflict, the real test lies in whether fundamentals, especially Intel’s upcoming earnings, can justify the FOMO-driven run. The key insight? In a 'risk-on' environment, the most promising opportunities aren’t in the obvious winners—but in underappreciated names with room for upside surprises. The episode reveals a market increasingly focused on physical infrastructure over software, with AI capital expenditure (CAPEX) now the dominant narrative. Investors are betting on the long arc of AI deployment, not immediate profits.
Hardware ETFs rallied 30% from market bottom, outpacing software’s 9% gain—signaling AI infrastructure is the dominant theme, not software monetization.
Intel’s 220% year-to-date rise is driven by narrative momentum, not fundamentals; its stock still has room to run if earnings surprise to the upside.
The market is pricing in a swift end to geopolitical conflict, with oil and stocks no longer moving inversely—indicating a shift to 'risk-on' mode.
Software stocks like ServiceNow are under pressure due to multiple compression after an 8-day rally, but large players like Microsoft and Oracle remain resilient.
Investors should focus on companies where earnings estimates haven’t caught up to the narrative—Intel is a prime example of a 'surprise candidate'.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Market Rally and Nasdaq's Historic Rebound
“The Nasdaq composite had its longest winning streak since 1992. So it is sort of historically significant how quickly stocks came back.”
Earnings, Oil, and the Market's New Equilibrium
Schafer explains how the market has adjusted to oil prices above $100 and geopolitical tensions, now pricing in a swift end to conflict and moving past headline-driven volatility.
AI Infrastructure and the Hardware-First Rally
“It was a 30% rally in a hardware ETF, the Sox ETF, and only a 9% rally in software. So you're seeing hardware over software.”
The SaaSpocalypse and Software’s Struggles
Software stocks, especially smaller names like ServiceNow, are facing a sharp correction after a brief rally, as investors demand better earnings to justify high valuations.
Intel: The Next Test of the Chip Trade
“Intel still pretty far off its all time high has room to perhaps continue to run higher.”
“It was a 30% rally in a hardware ETF, the Sox ETF, and only a 9% rally in software. So you're seeing hardware over software.”
“Intel still pretty far off its all time high has room to perhaps continue to run higher.”
“longest, Nasdaq composite had its longest winning streak since 1992. So it is sort of historically significant how quickly stocks came back.”
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