The Political Battle Over Redistricting

RealClearPolitics Podcast49mApril 23, 2026

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The Real Clear Politics podcast episode explores the escalating political battle over redistricting in the lead-up to the 2026 midterm elections. Hosts Andrew Walworth, Tom Bevin, and Carl Cannon discuss the recent Virginia referendum on redistricting, which passed but is now under legal challenge for using misleading language about 'restoring fairness'—a move critics call Orwellian. The conversation shifts to Florida, where Governor Ron DeSantis is expected to push a new congressional map, sparking a heated exchange between House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and DeSantis, with Jeffries threatening to campaign in Florida to 'neutralize' Republican gains. The panel debates whether such partisan gerrymandering is effective or merely symbolic, with Bevin skeptical that any map will significantly alter the outcome, given Democrats' projected gains in California and Virginia. The discussion then pivots to broader concerns about democratic integrity, with Carl Cannon calling the current state of redistricting 'disgusting and depressing' as both parties abandon pretenses of fairness. Later, guest Molly Hemingway joins to discuss her new book on Justice Samuel Alito, highlighting his principled stance on the rule of law, particularly in the aftermath of the Dobbs leak, where liberal justices allegedly slow-walked the decision amid death threats. Hemingway reveals internal court tensions, including the politicization of judicial appointments, unequal treatment of justices based on ideology, and the breakdown of collegial norms, painting a picture of a Supreme Court under unprecedented strain. The episode concludes with reflections on the erosion of judicial legitimacy and the growing politicization of the judiciary. Key takeaways include: 1) Redistricting has become a weaponized political tool with little regard for democratic fairness; 2) The Supreme Court’s internal dynamics are fracturing, with ideological divisions undermining collegiality; 3) The Dobbs leak and its aftermath revealed deep institutional dysfunction, including deliberate delays and threats to justices; 4) Judicial independence is under sustained attack from both political parties, with asymmetric consequences for conservative and liberal justices; 5) The politicization of the judiciary extends beyond the Supreme Court to lower courts and public perception; 6) The use of personal relationships—like golf and hunting—to build bridges among justices reflects a desperate attempt to maintain cohesion; 7) The lack of accountability for the Dobbs leak remains a glaring failure of institutional oversight; 8) The long-term health of American democracy depends on restoring trust in the judiciary and ending partisan gerrymandering.

Key Takeaways
1

Redistricting has become a zero-sum political war with both parties abandoning democratic pretenses.

2

The Supreme Court's legitimacy is eroding due to politicization, internal divisions, and unequal treatment of justices.

3

The Dobbs leak and subsequent slow-walking of the decision exposed deep institutional dysfunction and lack of accountability.

4

Conservative justices are under unprecedented personal threat, while liberal justices face less scrutiny despite high-profile activism.

5

The court’s internal norms of collegiality and respect are breaking down, with public attacks and personal animosity replacing private decorum.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Sponsor: Mizzen & Main Men's Fashion

Tom Bevin promotes Mizzen & Main, a men's clothing brand offering performance-based, wrinkle-resistant, machine-washable apparel. He shares his personal experience with their quarter-zip and offers a 20% discount code for listeners.

1:42
7 min

Virginia Redistricting Referendum and Legal Challenges

It was so blatantly Orwellian. I thought, boy, this is going to be challenging. There's going to be judges who don't like this because they're going to think that voters were deceived.

Highlight
9:00
11 min

Florida’s Redistricting Battle and Political Posturing

Our message to Florida Republicans is F around and find out. If they go down the road of a DeSantis dummy mander, the Florida Republicans are going to find themselves in the same situation as Texas Republicans who are on the run.

Highlight
20:00
10 min

Redistricting Projections and the Supreme Court’s Role

The hosts analyze projected seat gains: Republicans may gain 5–9 seats (mainly in Texas), while Democrats could gain 8–10 (in California and Virginia). Florida remains a wildcard. The potential Supreme Court decision in Calais could allow mid-decade redistricting in Southern states, but the timing is uncertain. The hosts speculate the decision is being 'slow-walked' to avoid influencing the 2026 elections.

30:00
10 min

The Gas Price War and Its Political Fallout

The conversation shifts to energy policy and gas prices. Tom Bevin argues that President Trump’s bombing of Iran has driven gas prices up, undermining his claim of lowering them. He notes Trump’s approval rating has dropped, particularly on inflation, and warns that high gas prices could be a major liability for Republicans in the midterms.

High-Impact Quotes
When the Dobbs leak happened, there were immediate threats on everybody's lives. And when they meet in conference, Dobbs was given a C. It was nearly two full months of death threats and that included the attempt on Justice Kavanaugh and his family's lives.
Molly Hemingway61:52
Viral: 90.0
Our message to Florida Republicans is F around and find out. If they go down the road of a DeSantis dummy mander, the Florida Republicans are going to find themselves in the same situation as Texas Republicans who are on the run.
Hakeem Jeffries2:13
Viral: 85.0
It's a very destabilizing situation. These people are not paid what they would get paid in the private sector. They don't frequently live in secure estates. And some of them are just flat out in suburban neighborhoods.
Molly Hemingway35:07
Viral: 80.0
Speakers

Hosts

Andrew WalworthTom BevinCarl Cannon

Guest

Molly Hemingway
Topics Discussed
redistricting politics95%dobs-leak-aftermath92%supreme court legitimacy90%judicial independence88%supreme court internal dynamics87%partisan gerrymandering85%political polarization80%gerrymandering in florida75%
People & Brands

supreme court

organization

25xNegative

tom bevin

person

15xNeutral

andrew walworth

person

14xNeutral

carl cannon

person

13xNeutral

molly hemingway

person

12xPositive

dobs decision

other

11xNegative

samuel alito

person

10xPositive

hakeem jeffries

person

8xNegative

john roberts

person

8xNeutral

florida redistricting

other

7xNeutral

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