Understanding Canada's Debt Crisis - Wes Cowan

Real Talk With Gary - Real Estate Investing31mApril 2, 2026

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In this episode of Real Talk With Gary, host Gary Hibbert is joined by Wes Cowan, Senior Vice President and Licensed Insolvency Trustee at M&P, to discuss the growing debt crisis in Canada, particularly in Ontario where insolvency rates are rising to 2-2.5% in 2025. Cowan explains how prolonged inflation, stagnant income growth, and elevated interest rates—though now moderating—have created mounting financial pressure on households. Many Canadians are resorting to high-interest borrowing, including credit cards and payday loans, often using their homes as collateral through second mortgages or refinancing, which can lead to rapid debt spirals. The conversation covers key debt relief options: consumer proposals (a legally binding settlement with creditors over up to five years) and bankruptcy (a last resort where assets may be liquidated). Cowan emphasizes that while bankruptcy can stay on credit reports for up to seven years, a consumer proposal remains for three years post-completion, with the potential to shorten the impact if paid early. He also clarifies the difference between foreclosure (common in the U.S.) and power of sale (standard in Ontario), noting that power of sale can leave borrowers liable for shortfalls if property values decline. The episode concludes with a discussion on psychological factors, including growing pessimism due to geopolitical tensions and economic uncertainty, which are influencing people’s decisions to seek help. The episode serves as a wake-up call for Canadians to address debt proactively before it becomes unmanageable.

Key Takeaways
1

Insolvency rates in Ontario are rising to 2-2.5% in 2025, signaling growing financial stress among Canadians.

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Stagnant incomes, inflation, and high interest rates are creating long-term financial strain, especially for those relying on credit.

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Consumer proposals offer a structured way to settle debt over five years with creditor approval, while bankruptcy is a last resort with longer credit impacts.

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Power of sale in Ontario allows lenders to sell properties without taking possession, but borrowers remain liable for shortfalls if the sale price is insufficient.

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Homeowners with rental properties or corporate holdings must disclose all assets, as they may be subject to claims during insolvency proceedings.

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Chapters
0:00
5 min

The Rising Insolvency Crisis in Ontario

Insolvency is going up and I think it's about two to two and a half percent in 2025. What are your thoughts on that?

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4:40
6 min

The Debt Spiral: From Credit Cards to Second Mortgages

They're kind of just barely keeping up with their payments every month but the payments aren't really doing anything because they're only servicing the interest.

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10:50
8 min

Understanding Consumer Proposals and Bankruptcy

With a bankruptcy, it could be on your record for up to seven years. And with a proposal, it stays on for three years from the time you finish the proposal.

Highlight
19:10
8 min

Protecting Your Home: Power of Sale vs. Foreclosure

Wes explains the legal differences between power of sale (common in Ontario) and foreclosure (more common in the U.S.). He emphasizes that under power of sale, borrowers remain liable for any shortfall if the property sells for less than the mortgage amount, especially in a declining real estate market.

27:30
8 min

The Hidden Risks of Corporate and Rental Assets

The discussion turns to how real estate held in corporations or as rental properties is treated during insolvency. Wes explains that trustees assess the equity in these assets and may require proposals to account for them, even if the property is not directly seized.

High-Impact Quotes
People are feeling a little more pessimistic about their financial futures. And that in part drives their decision to go, you know what? I'm done. I can't do this anymore.
Wes Cowan29:54
Viral: 90.0
They're kind of just barely keeping up with their payments every month but the payments aren't really doing anything because they're only servicing the interest.
Wes Cowan8:27
Viral: 85.0
You're still on the hook for any shortfall if the property sells for less than the mortgage amount.
Wes Cowan37:28
Viral: 82.0
Speakers

Host

Gary Hibbert

Guest

Wes Cowan
Topics Discussed
Consumer Proposals vs Bankruptcy95%Rising Insolvency Rates90%Power of Sale and Foreclosure88%Debt Relief and Financial Planning87%Consumer Debt and Credit Card Usage85%Home Equity and Real Estate in Insolvency82%Psychological Impact of Economic Stress80%Corporate and Rental Property Assets75%
People & Brands

Wes Cowan

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12xPositive

Ontario

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10xNeutral

Gary Hibbert

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8xPositive

M&P

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6xPositive

Inflation

other

6xNegative

Pandemic

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5xNeutral

Interest Rates

other

5xNegative

Credit Cards

other

5xNegative

United States

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4xNeutral

Our Neighborhood Realty

organization

3xPositive

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