Examining the state of Cubs pitching
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The episode dives into the current state of the Chicago Cubs' pitching staff, focusing on the season-ending injury to top prospect Cade Horton, who underwent surgery after a recurring arm issue. Hosts Rahimi, Harris, and Grote reflect on the team's cautious approach with Horton, emphasizing their conservative pitch counts and development strategy, yet acknowledging that even the most careful management cannot prevent injuries in modern baseball. They discuss the broader trend in MLB toward shorter starting innings and reliance on high-velocity bullpens, using the Dodgers as a prime example. The conversation shifts to the Cubs' lack of depth, especially with key pitchers like Justin Steele and Jackson Wiggins still recovering, and explores the potential return of Matthew Boyd and the role of Javier Assad. A central theme emerges: the need for a six-man rotation to preserve pitchers' arms and ensure playoff readiness, a strategy the Cubs themselves have hinted at publicly, making it a live topic of discussion among fans and analysts alike.
Even the most conservative development plans can't prevent pitcher injuries, as seen with Cade Horton's latest arm breakdown.
MLB is trending toward shorter starting outings and heavy bullpen usage, especially in playoff scenarios.
A six-man rotation could help preserve pitcher health and provide more rest, especially when returning injured arms like Justin Steele.
The Cubs currently lack depth in their starting rotation, making roster decisions more complex.
Pitching philosophy is shifting—max-effort, high-velocity outings are common, but sustainability is a growing concern.
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Cubs' Pitching in Crisis: Cade Horton's Injury
“I'm sure there's a little solace to him right now given the way he was throwing and the condition he was in. And I'm sure he's frustrated. But he'll be back and excellent.”
The Cost of Conservatism: Cade Horton's Development
The hosts analyze Jed Hoyer's comments on Horton's injury, reflecting on the Cubs' cautious approach with pitch counts and development, and questioning whether even the most careful management can prevent breakdowns.
The Evolution of Starting Pitching: Shorter Innings, More Heat
“When push comes to shove, we get to the playoffs, they're like, we'll throw our guy out there for three, four innings. Yeah. And then we'll have five or six arms that just throw top of the line stuff.”
The Case for a Six-Man Rotation and Future Depth
“It's all about the playoffs last time I checked, and you want your guys to be good to go once the playoffs start and have a little extra gas left in the tank.”
“It's all about the playoffs last time I checked, and you want your guys to be good to go once the playoffs start and have a little extra gas left in the tank.”
“When push comes to shove, we get to the playoffs, they're like, we'll throw our guy out there for three, four innings. Yeah. And then we'll have five or six arms that just throw top of the line stuff.”
“There are pitchers who look like they are laboring every single pitch, and I wonder how much that will factor in in some of the decisions you make when you're scouting.”
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Cade Horton
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Jed Hoyer
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Javier Assad
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Jackson Wiggins
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Justin Steele
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Los Angeles Dodgers
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Shota Imanaga
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Phil Mayton
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Matthew Boyd
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Pat Hughes
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