BONUS: VERY THAT - "Teenage Burglar" (MOM Plus)
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In this bonus episode of 'Very That' from Race Chaser with Alaska & Willam, drag icons Delta Work and Raja (also known as Rasha) reflect on their shared history, drag evolution, and the nostalgic power of the mall as a cultural and personal touchstone. The conversation meanders through memories of shopping at Cerritos Mall and West Covina Fashion Plaza, the rise of fast fashion brands like Contempo Casuals and Judy's, and the creative ingenuity of teenage drag queens who once shoplifted to afford their looks—detailing how they’d disable security sensors by freezing them. The hosts also discuss the emotional labor of drag, the importance of self-acceptance in makeup and identity, and the absurdity of modern internet culture, especially the performative drama that often surrounds drag queens. They touch on personal anecdotes, including Raja’s cousin Nick’s Divine-inspired Halloween look, the evolution of drag aesthetics, and even a playful critique of floral fashion trends like baby’s breath and carnations. The episode closes with a lighthearted announcement of a 'Baby’s Breath Challenge' for social media, celebrating creativity without dance or choreography, and a reminder to support the podcast through Patreon.
Shoplifting in the 90s was a common, if risky, way for young drag queens to afford their first looks—especially from stores like Contempo Casuals.
The mall was a sacred space for drag culture, offering fashion, community, and identity formation long before social media.
Drag is not just about transformation—it’s also about celebrating your natural features and embracing self-acceptance.
The internet amplifies drama, but context is everything; many perceived 'beefs' are misunderstandings without full story.
Creativity doesn’t need to be flashy—simple, authentic expressions like baby’s breath in your hair can be revolutionary.
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Welcome to Mom Plus & The Power of Nothing
The episode opens with a soothing, ad-free introduction to Mom Plus, emphasizing the comfort of a podcast without interruptions, setting a calm tone for the nostalgic journey ahead.
The Mall as Drag Cathedral
“I remember going to that store. It was called like... I think it was maybe Suncoast and you could like pre-order a video there. And you're like, oh my gosh, I'm totally going to buy Basic Instinct on VHS.”
Teenage Burglar: The Real Drag Origin Story
“I shoplifted and I'm surprised that I never got caught doing it. And again, I'm not recommending it to anybody because you do it at your own risk, you know?”
Drag as Emotional Armor & Self-Acceptance
“Sometimes when that happens, like when you actually put a little effort into... Into the look, you feel less shitty or something.”
The Myth of Drag Drama & Internet Misunderstandings
The hosts reflect on the pressure to create drama, the dangers of misinterpretation online, and how they’ve learned to stay out of unnecessary beef, especially with the powers that be.
“This means all of it. Doesn't it? Right. This is the drag, like if drag had its own sign language, waving your fingers across your nose and... past your ear and throughout.”
“I'm the girl that gives you this.”
“I shoplifted and I'm surprised that I never got caught doing it. And again, I'm not recommending it to anybody because you do it at your own risk, you know?”
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Baby's Breath
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Contempo Casuals
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West Covina Fashion Plaza
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