457 - How to Guard Against Sexism and Abuse in Christian Communities w/ Dr. Andrew Bauman
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In this powerful episode of the Pure Desire Podcast, host Nick Stumbo and co-host Heather Cole welcome Dr. Andrew Bauman, founder of the Christian Counseling Center for Sexual Health and Trauma, to discuss his groundbreaking book *Safe Church: How to Guard Against Sexism and Abuse in Christian Communities*. Drawing from his personal history as the son of a pastor and sex addict, and his 15 years of clinical work, Bauman shares hard-won insights from a landmark study of over 2,800 women in church leadership roles. The conversation reveals how unaddressed male sexual brokenness—particularly porn use and emotional avoidance—fuels systemic misogyny, objectification, and abuse within churches. He exposes how biblical texts like 1 Timothy 2 and the term 'ezer' are often misinterpreted to justify male dominance, when in fact they point to mutual, life-saving partnership. Bauman emphasizes that true healing requires men to do deep emotional and embodied work, face their shadows, and move beyond mere honesty to genuine repentance and repair. He offers practical green flags for safe churches: trauma-informed leadership, diversity in decision-making, open dialogue, and a commitment to research-based resources. The episode ends with a hopeful call to action: men must listen to women, do their own healing, and co-create communities where all can flourish in dignity and safety.
Unaddressed male sexual brokenness—especially porn use and emotional avoidance—directly fuels sexism and abuse in church communities.
The term 'ezer' in Genesis 2:18 means 'savior' or 'rescuer,' not 'helper' in a subordinate sense; it describes a divine, equal partnership.
Men in recovery must move beyond honesty to repentance: facing their shadows, embodying change, and repairing harm through vulnerable, eye-to-eye dialogue.
Safe churches are trauma-informed, diverse in leadership, and willing to have hard conversations about abuse, modesty, and forgiveness.
Women experiencing betrayal trauma should trust their intuition and bodies—God dwells in the body, which is holy, not dangerous.
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Introducing Dr. Andrew Bauman and the Mission of Safe Church
“We're still having to have this conversation, and yet there's hope surrounding the fact that we are having this conversation.”
Andrew's Personal Journey: From Abusive Home to Healing Ministry
“This stuff nearly killed me. It's life and death for me.”
The Data Behind the Pain: 2,800 Women's Stories of Abuse
“What do you think Hannah felt towards her own body? What do you think she felt about her own worth?”
The Pornographic Style of Relating: How Unhealed Men Harm Women
Bauman explains how unaddressed male sexual shame leads to a 'pornographic style of relating'—objectifying women, overemphasizing modesty, and projecting shame onto women. He argues that men often make women responsible for managing their own sexual triggers instead of doing their own emotional work.
Beyond Honesty: The Need for Repentance and Repair
“Repentance doesn't mean feel bad about. Repentant means to turn and go in a different direction.”
“It just took the wife being in the room to call it what it is because you have this 40-year-old man in power and this 18-year-old teenager.”
“The word ezer is directly followed by kenegdo, which means in front of him or corresponding to him like a mirror image.”
“I'd rather right now if you would just go and go to the strip club and just kind of own it and be a full-blown misogynist and just say, I hate women.”
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