Francis Spufford, writer
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In this intimate episode of Private Passions, writer Francis Spufford reflects on the profound influence of music, memory, and faith on his life and work. Growing up on a university campus with academic parents, Spufford found refuge in books during childhood, especially after his sister Bridget’s tragic death from a rare genetic illness. This early fragility shaped his deep appreciation for imaginative worlds, where he could escape the precariousness of reality. His literary journey began late—only at 52 did he publish his first novel, Golden Hill—after years of writing nonfiction, book reviews, and anthologies. Music plays a central role in his creative process: from the polyphony of William Byrd to Satie’s hypnotic Gymnopédies, Mozart’s clarinet concerto, and jazz masterpieces by Sidney Bechet and Duke Ellington, each piece resonates with emotional and spiritual significance. Spufford also shares his complex return to Christianity, sparked by a moment of musical revelation during a marital crisis, and his belief that doubt and faith dance together in a vital, ongoing relationship. His novels—historical fictions like Light Perpetual and Nonsuch—blend meticulous research with imaginative leaps, using the fantastical to illuminate real human experiences, especially during moments of crisis like the Blitz. He remains committed to writing stories that resonate with readers regardless of their beliefs, crafting narratives that are both deeply personal and universally accessible.
Reading and imagination were vital escapes during childhood, especially after the loss of your sister Bridget.
Music is not just background—it's a spiritual and emotional compass, with specific pieces marking pivotal life moments.
Faith and doubt are not opposites but partners in a creative and personal dance.
You don’t need to be musically expert to feel deeply moved by music—emotional resonance matters more than technical understanding.
Historical fiction allows you to explore real human fragility through imaginative, transformative storytelling.
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The Power of Polyphony and the Sound of Memory
“It fills the space as if it belongs there. I love the extreme clarity and definiteness of what the voices are doing and the kind of paradox in it. I love the way that human throats which are these pink muscular tubes used for all sorts of things, are producing something which just temporarily seems to approximate to the heavenly.”
Childhood, Loss, and the Refuge of Imagination
“If you feel that the real world of other people is so fragile, you have to tiptoe around in it. There is a profound relief in going elsewhere into created worlds where things are a bit more robust.”
The Music of Grief and Redemption
“I had the peculiar sense of being enfolded in large but impossible-to-see arms while we sat around the deathbed.”
The Return to Faith and the Mozart Moment
“The clarinet concerto is what mercy would sound like, and that's exactly how I experienced it. This kind of illusionless, no denial of all the bad things in the world and all of the mess that humans can make, and yet, and yet this sound of merciful hope are kind of lifting up in Mozart's line through it.”
The Art of Historical Fiction and the Perversion of Time
Spufford discusses his novel-writing journey, starting with Golden Hill and exploring how he uses historical settings to explore timeless human questions. He emphasizes the creative freedom of the 18th century novel and the paradox of setting a modern city like New York in the past.
“The clarinet concerto is what mercy would sound like, and that's exactly how I experienced it. This kind of illusionless, no denial of all the bad things in the world and all of the mess that humans can make, and yet, and yet this sound of merciful hope are kind of lifting up in Mozart's line through it.”
“We stand on the brink of the grave and say Alleluia, and that is what I want at my funeral, and that is also how I'd quite like to live now with a kind of illusionless joy.”
“I don't want to write propaganda. I don't want to write things dumbed down to an ideology of any kind. Fiction is about the intricate overlapping of all of the disparate ways that humans do the world.”
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Francis Spufford
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Bridget Spufford
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Mozart
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William Byrd
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Golden Hill
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Jessica Spufford
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Satie
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Unapologetic
book
Light Perpetual
book
Bach
person
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