From Safety Net to Power Base: Reclaiming Economic Power for Working People (with Jamie Keene)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer43mApril 21, 2026

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In this episode of Pitchfork Economics, Nick Hanauer and Paul introduce Jamie Keene, a Stratification Economics Fellow at the Roosevelt Institute and former Biden White House policy advisor, to discuss her groundbreaking report, 'From Safety Net to Power Base: Reimagining Not Restoring the U.S. Anti-Poverty System.' Keene argues that decades of neoliberal policy have rendered the current social safety net not just ineffective but actively counterproductive, often subsidizing the very corporations that create economic precarity. She critiques the safety net’s reliance on unregulated private markets, its fragmented and passive design, and its failure to address power imbalances. Instead of incremental fixes, Keene calls for a radical reimagining: transforming the safety net into a 'power base' through public options in healthcare, childcare, housing, and financial services, sectoral bargaining, and proactive economic planning. The conversation underscores that poverty is not merely a lack of income but a lack of power to say no—especially in insecure jobs and exploitative markets. The hosts emphasize that this isn’t just about policy reform but about rebuilding democracy by restoring countervailing power to working people, echoing the New Deal’s integrated vision of government as a force for economic fairness and stability. The episode ends on a note of cautious hope, highlighting a growing progressive consensus that systemic change—not tinkering—is now necessary.

Key Takeaways
1

Poverty is not just income deprivation but a lack of economic power to make choices about work, care, and life.

2

The current safety net inadvertently subsidizes low-wage, high-precarity corporations like Walmart and Medicare Advantage insurers.

3

Public options in healthcare, childcare, housing, and financial services are essential to rebalance power and lower costs.

4

Sectoral bargaining and proactive economic planning (e.g., for AI-driven job displacement) are critical to prevent future crises.

5

A new New Deal-style reimagining of government’s role is needed to restore democracy and counter authoritarian populism.

Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Failure of Trickle-Down and the Case for Middle-Out Economics

Nick Hanauer opens the episode by framing rising inequality and political instability as the result of failed trickle-down economics, introducing middle-out economics as the alternative—where the middle class is the engine of growth, not a byproduct.

10:00
10 min

The Safety Net Is Broken: A Bipartisan Game of Attrition

The hosts reflect on how both Democrats and Republicans have systematically weakened the social safety net over decades, with Bill Clinton’s 'welfare reform' and Reagan’s demonization of the term 'welfare' marking key turning points in the erosion of public support.

20:00
10 min

Jamie Keene’s Thesis: From Safety Net to Power Base

We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.

Highlight
30:00
10 min

The Three Structural Flaws of the Safety Net

The safety net functions as an inadvertent form of corporate welfare.

Highlight
40:00
10 min

Public Options and Power Rebalancing: A New Deal for the 21st Century

If we want to save our democracy, we need to rethink, reimagine, and we need to address this better.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.
Jamie Keene8:32
Viral: 90.0
The safety net functions as an inadvertent form of corporate welfare.
Jamie Keene12:50
Viral: 85.0
The market cannot and will not do that. It will create more homelessness because there's a lot of money to be made off of poor people.
Paul34:54
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Hosts

Nick HanauerPaul

Guest

Jamie Keene
Topics Discussed
economic power95%social safety net reform90%public options85%neoliberalism and market failure80%sectoral bargaining80%corporate welfare75%democracy and authoritarianism70%AI and job displacement65%
People & Brands

Jamie Keene

person

15xPositive

Paul

person

12xPositive

Nick Hanauer

person

10xPositive

Roosevelt Institute

organization

8xPositive

New Deal

other

7xPositive

Franklin Delano Roosevelt

person

6xPositive

Walmart

organization

6xNegative

Earned Income Tax Credit

other

5xMixed

Medicare Advantage

other

5xNegative

Social Security

other

4xPositive

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