237 - Farside Standard Time (with Kelsey Young)
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In this episode of Off-Nominal, host Jake welcomes Kelsey Young, the lunar science lead and science flight operations lead for NASA's Artemis II mission, to discuss the groundbreaking integration of a dedicated science desk in Mission Control—a first for human spaceflight. Kelsey reflects on the emotional weight of sitting at the console she helped develop, the trust built with flight controllers over years, and the historic moment when the crew directly communicated with the science team during the lunar flyby. The conversation dives into the challenges of scheduling science operations around human constraints, the importance of lighting conditions for lunar observations, and the scientific value of human eyes in field geology—particularly in identifying subtle color variations and making real-time decisions. Kelsey shares how the crew’s observations, annotations, and real-time discussions enhanced the mission’s science return, even as cameras and robotics remain essential tools. The episode also covers the unexpected discovery of multiple impact flashes on the lunar surface, the excitement of seeing the moon’s eclipse-like transit, and the profound public and personal impact of the mission, including inspiring children to pursue science. The hosts emphasize the mission’s role as a stepping stone, not an endpoint, and celebrate the authenticity and joy that radiated from the crew and team, proving that human spaceflight can inspire both scientific progress and global wonder.
The Artemis II mission marked the first time a dedicated science desk was integrated into Mission Control, enabling direct communication between scientists and astronauts.
Human observers provided unique scientific value by making real-time, context-aware observations that cameras alone cannot capture, especially in color and texture.
Scheduling science operations required balancing crew sleep, vehicle safety, and optimal lighting conditions, with the team preparing over 150 lunar targeting plans.
The crew observed multiple impact flashes on the moon, confirming ongoing micrometeoroid activity and providing new data to refine risk models for future lunar bases.
The mission demonstrated that human spaceflight is not just about exploration but also about building the skills and infrastructure to do science in space.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Welcome to the Science Desk: A Historic Moment
“The first time I saw the sign on that console, so many feelings. It's going to stay with me for a very long time.”
From Apollo to Artemis: The Evolution of Lunar Science
“Being able to achieve that level of integration into flight operations... there are literally no words that I can find to describe the depth of the pride I feel.”
The Science of Scheduling: Human Constraints and Lunar Lighting
The team discusses the complex planning behind science windows, including how launch timing affected illumination of the far side, and the emotional impact of waking up at 'Moon Time' or 'Far Side Standard Time'.
The Eclipse Debate: What Counts as an Eclipse?
“An eclipse is in the eye of the beholder too, right? Like you can have your own definition.”
Human Eyes vs. Cameras: The Irreplaceable Value of Observation
“Human beings also have the advantage of training and a well-trained brain... to build off of what they're seeing.”
“The first time I saw the sign on that console, so many feelings. It's going to stay with me for a very long time.”
“We saw multiple impact flashes. And I have always been told I have an expressive face. Can you smile adorably?”
“Human beings also have the advantage of training and a well-trained brain... to build off of what they're seeing.”
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Kelsey Young
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Jake
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Artemis II
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NASA
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Mission Control
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Apollo missions
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Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
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Jenny Gibbons
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Jeff Radigan
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Dr. Jen Heldman
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