Deutsche Bank's Ozan Tarman and Aditya Singhal on Understanding the Macro Risks

Odd Lots28mMay 19, 2026

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The global markets are defying expectations despite escalating geopolitical tensions, rising oil prices, and stalled disinflation—driven not by fundamentals alone, but by a profound structural shift in how the world thinks about risk, assets, and power. Ozan Tarman and Aditya Singhal of Deutsche Bank argue that the 'bus is empty': investors are underpositioned, creating a fragile but persistent rally fueled by AI optimism and a re-pricing of real assets like gold, infrastructure, and commodities. The core thesis? The West’s long-standing economic model—relying on China for manufacturing and services—is breaking down. As China builds its own tech stack, from AI chips to robotics, and the West scrambles to reshore critical industries, the world is entering a new era of 'deglobalization with a twist': not a full decoupling, but a strategic re-alignment where both sides must rebuild from the ground up. This shift is already visible in central bank gold buying, sovereign debt dynamics, and the rise of 'real assets' as the new store of value. Even Japan’s central bank has stepped in to calm markets, proving that 'risk parity' is now a global policy tool. The AI race, far from being a Western monopoly, is being matched by China’s parallel, cost-optimized advancements—making the West’s current AI-driven rally more fragile than it appears.

Key Takeaways
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The 'bus is empty'—investors are underpositioned, creating a fragile but powerful rally despite geopolitical chaos.

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China is no longer just a manufacturing hub; it’s building a self-sustaining tech and services stack, reducing its need for Western goods.

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The AI race is not a Western monopoly—China’s models, chips, and cost-optimized infrastructure are advancing in parallel.

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Real assets (gold, commodities, infrastructure) are the new store of value as the world re-prices debt and risk.

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Central banks, including Japan’s, are now actively managing volatility through 'risk parity' to prevent market collapses.

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Chapters
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5 min

The Paradox of Market Rally Amid Chaos

The bus is empty. When I say buses are empty, I don't only talk to my portfolio managers, but men on the street, to my college classmates. One of them was like, what do you mean buses are empty? That means investors don't have it.

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The AI Rally: A Bet on the Future, Not the Present

The cool aid is to believe that this AI run may have another one to two years to go. Paul Tudor Jones, public, one of definitely my more famous French clients today claimed that that's the case and made the 1999 analogy.

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5 min

China’s Strategic Shift: From Manufacturing to Self-Sufficiency

If you assume China was in space, they can still disrupt the services sector, but they can't disrupt the manufacturing sector theoretically anymore because you can, you will have to build it all up.

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15:00
5 min

The Real Asset Repricing: Gold, Commodities, and Debt

As the world rethinks its economic model, real assets are becoming the new safe haven. Gold’s rally, central bank gold buying, and the need for reshoring are all signs of a deeper structural shift.

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5 min

The West’s Dilemma: Can It Balance the Current Account with China?

The hosts and guests debate whether the U.S. can realistically rebalance its current account with China. The answer: only if the West rebuilds its entire manufacturing and tech stack, which is both costly and time-consuming.

High-Impact Quotes
because buses are empty. When I say buses are empty, I don't only talk to my portfolio managers, but men on the street, to my college classmates. One of them was like, what do you mean buses are empty? That means investors don't have it.
Ozan Tarman3:11
Viral: 85.0
If you assume China was in space, they can still disrupt the services sector, but they can't disrupt the manufacturing sector theoretically anymore because you can, you will have to build it all up.
Ozan Tarman13:44
Viral: 82.0
The cool aid is to believe that this AI run may have another one to two years to go. Paul Tudor Jones, public, one of definitely my more famous French clients today claimed that that's the case and made the 1999 analogy.
Ozan Tarman10:31
Viral: 78.0
Speakers

Hosts

Traci AllowayJoe Weisenthal

Guests

Ozan TarmanAditya Singhal
Topics Discussed
real assets95%ai and global competition90%china us economic decoupling88%central bank risk parity85%current account imbalance80%gold as a safe haven75%commodity markets70%financial repression65%
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