Ep 107 Anita Connell at the AMTA Conference Part 2
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This episode of Music Therapy Conversations features a compelling second part of Anita Connell's interviews from the 50th Australian Music Therapy Association (AMTA) Conference, highlighting diverse perspectives from leading practitioners. Grace Thompson reflects on her early career in music therapy during the 1990s, emphasizing her journey from a young, enthusiastic student to a pioneer in family-centered and community-based practice. She discusses the shift from classroom-based therapy in special schools to home-based interventions, the challenges of working with parents who feel ineffective, and the importance of co-creating musical experiences that families can sustain beyond therapy. Her research focus on goal articulation and lived experience underscores the need for more authentic, narrative-driven evidence in the field. Brodie Henry and Zoe Calendritus share their lived experiences as music therapists with hearing differences, presenting a powerful session titled 'Puff'—an Auslan sign symbolizing realization. They advocate for a deaf-centered approach to music therapy, redefining 'listening' through multi-sensory engagement, including vibration, touch, and visual cues. Their work challenges hearing-centric models and calls for greater inclusion of disabled and neurodivergent voices in research and practice. Rob Devlin, a veteran music therapist and director of Sound Expression, shares his transformative career shift from corporate life to music therapy, trained in the Nordoff-Robbins approach. He discusses the therapeutic use of improvisation and songwriting to support speech development in non-verbal clients, and reflects on the emerging role of AI in music therapy—using tools like Suno to co-create meaningful songs with clients. He also explores the delicate balance between performance and therapy, especially in group settings, and affirms that music therapists are first and foremost therapists who use music intentionally. The episode closes with a strong call for reflective, critical, and inclusive practice that centers human connection and lived experience. Key takeaways include: 1) Family-centered music therapy is not about replacing the therapist but empowering caregivers to sustain musical engagement; 2) Redefining 'listening' through multi-sensory, deaf-centered models enhances accessibility and authenticity; 3) AI can be a valuable tool in music therapy when used collaboratively, not as a replacement for human connection; 4) Therapists must be comfortable with silence and non-musical moments, especially in mental health work; 5) Authentic research must center lived experience, particularly from disabled and neurodivergent communities; 6) The future of music therapy lies in inclusive, ethical, and human-centered practice that values both art and science.
Family-centered music therapy empowers parents and caregivers to sustain musical engagement beyond therapy sessions.
Redefining 'listening' through multi-sensory, deaf-centered models (vibration, touch, visual cues) enhances accessibility and inclusion.
AI tools like Suno can be powerful co-creation partners in music therapy when used intentionally and ethically.
Therapists must be comfortable with silence and non-musical moments, especially in mental health contexts.
Authentic research must center lived experience, particularly from disabled and neurodivergent communities.
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Introduction and Sponsorship
Luke Ansley introduces the episode, sponsored by the British Association for Music Therapy (BAMT), and previews the second part of Anita Connell's interviews from the 50th AMTA Conference, highlighting the focus on diverse voices and lived experiences.
Grace Thompson: From Classroom to Family-Centered Practice
“It was no longer just focused on the child. It had to be that family focus. And that was hard because parents would say, I just want you to work with my child. My child's having a great time with you. Just work with my child. But that was just no longer an acceptable format.”
Grace Thompson: Research, Advocacy, and the Future of Music Therapy
“I think we need to find ways to more powerfully bring those stories forward, to bring forward the experiences and the meaning making and think about outcomes in terms of what makes a good life and a healthy life.”
Brodie Henry & Zoe Calendritus: Deaf-Centered Music Therapy
“What if we centered deaf culture and deaf ways of being instead of just adapting hearing-centered models to try to include deaf people?”
Rob Devlin: From Corporate Life to Music Therapy
“We're a therapist first who uses music when it's clinically appropriate. That's almost a whole podcast on its own.”
“What if we centered deaf culture and deaf ways of being instead of just adapting hearing-centered models to try to include deaf people?”
“I think we need to find ways to more powerfully bring those stories forward, to bring forward the experiences and the meaning making and think about outcomes in terms of what makes a good life and a healthy life.”
“I think we're going to need much more partnership with the disabled community, with the autistic community. We need to bring people into our research because it's just not possible to move forward without that.”
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Grace Thompson
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Zoe Calendritus
person
Brodie Henry
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Rob Devlin
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Auslan
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Anita Connell
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Nordoff-Robbins
organization
Luke Ansley
person
Australian Music Therapy Association
organization
Sound Expression
organization
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