On To The Next One: Matches To Make After UFC Vegas 115

MMA Fighting1h 23mApril 5, 2026

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In this episode of On to the Next One, hosts Mike Hecht and Alexander Kaylee return after a brief hiatus to dissect the aftermath of UFC Vegas 115, a card they initially dismissed as one of the weakest in recent memory. Despite low expectations, the event delivered surprisingly entertaining fights, particularly in the form of dominant finishes and gritty, fun matchups. The duo celebrates the success of the card’s 'squash match' formula—where underdog fighters are matched against heavy favorites—arguing that this approach, while not glamorous, produces exciting, competitive fights that serve the sport well. They highlight standout performances from Ethan Ewing, Kai Kamaka III, and Tommy McMillan, while also calling out the UFC’s lack of title defense plans for women’s divisions, which remain largely inactive despite high-stakes fights. The hosts then dive into their matchmaking picks, advocating for strategic, development-focused pairings that prioritize fighter growth over immediate star power. They emphasize the need to avoid rushing young talents like Alice Pereira and Delano Rishalo, while also cautioning against overhyping fighters like McMillan before they’ve earned the spotlight. The episode concludes with a lively discussion on fan-submitted picks, including dream matchups like Moicano vs. Pimblett and Ewing vs. Basharat, as well as a critical look at the controversial head-slash incident involving Gato Barbosa. The hosts express frustration with the Nevada Athletic Commission’s handling of the fight, calling it a failure of enforcement and a disservice to the sport. They also preview the upcoming UFC 327 card, which features a stacked light heavyweight main event and a CBS broadcast, while noting the scheduling clash with PFL Chicago—a fact they find both ironic and unfortunate. Ultimately, the episode reaffirms the podcast’s mission: to champion smart, honest, and entertaining matchmaking in the UFC, even when the cards aren’t perfect.

Key Takeaways
1

Squash matches with low-stakes, high-finishing potential are a viable and entertaining formula for UFC Apex cards.

2

Fighter development should prioritize long-term growth over immediate title shots—especially for young, unproven talents.

3

The UFC’s failure to schedule title defenses in women’s divisions is a major strategic misstep that undermines the sport’s credibility.

4

Fighters like Ethan Ewing and Tommy McMillan deserve more meaningful matchups and better recognition, even if they don’t get performance bonuses.

5

The Nevada Athletic Commission’s handling of the Barbosa head-slash incident was a failure of rule enforcement and should be reevaluated.

Chapters
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10 min

Sponsor Intro & Card Preview

The episode opens with a sponsor message for SAS, followed by the hosts welcoming back their dynamic duo format after a brief hiatus. They set the tone by expressing low expectations for UFC Vegas 115, calling it potentially the worst card in recent memory, but also acknowledging the need to remain open-minded.

10:00
10 min

The Unexpected Success of a Low-Stakes Card

This is what every Apex show should be. It should be a good made event, better than Moicano Duncan. We knew what that was going to be more than likely. But the rest should just be like either just a bunch of heaters with lower level guys or... minus 1900 dudes just getting first round finishes.

Highlight
20:00
10 min

Matchmaking the Main Events: Moicano vs. Duncan & Robertson vs. Ricci

I think the Patty ship has sailed at this point. Although after this performance, Patty's team should literally be on the phone with the UFC being like, book me and head out to Mike Hanna right now.

Highlight
30:00
10 min

Rising Stars: Ethan Ewing, Delano Rishalo, and Alice Pereira

I just don't know if the UFC doesn't see it and they don't want to push him for some reason. Like I would have been fine if they really want to give a performance bonus to McMillan, which I don't think they should have.

Highlight
40:00
10 min

The Problem with the Women’s Divisions & Title Defense Delays

The hosts express deep frustration with the lack of title defense plans for women’s divisions, particularly Zhang Wei Li and Mackenzie Dern. They question the UFC’s strategy in allowing titleholders to go months without a fight, calling it a disservice to the sport and a missed opportunity for storytelling.

High-Impact Quotes
It's a disaster. It's an absolute disaster. But it's also like a weird thing where it's, if you're of the team of, eh, in the Academy Award goes to, I get it. But still, it is like a super legal blow and we went past the five minute mark, the fight should have been stopped.
Mike Hecht64:17
Viral: 90.0
This is what every Apex show should be. It should be a good made event, better than Moicano Duncan. We knew what that was going to be more than likely. But the rest should just be like either just a bunch of heaters with lower level guys or... minus 1900 dudes just getting first round finishes.
Mike Hecht5:08
Viral: 85.0
I think the Patty ship has sailed at this point. Although after this performance, Patty's team should literally be on the phone with the UFC being like, book me and head out to Mike Hanna right now.
Alexander Kaylee9:48
Viral: 80.0
Speakers

Hosts

Mike HechtAlexander Kaylee
Topics Discussed
UFC Matchmaking Strategy90%Referee & Commission Failures90%Squash Matches & Low-Stakes Fights85%Fighter Development & Growth85%Women's Division Title Defenses80%Performance Bonuses & Recognition75%Fan Engagement & Pick Submissions70%PFL vs UFC Scheduling Conflicts65%
People & Brands

UFC Vegas 115

other

20xPositive

Alexander Kaylee

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18xPositive

Mike Hecht

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15xPositive

UFC 327

other

15xPositive

Ethan Ewing

person

14xPositive

Patty Pimblett

person

12xPositive

Hinata Moicano

person

12xPositive

Tommy McMillan

person

11xPositive

Alice Pereira

person

10xPositive

Tatiana Suarez

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10xPositive

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