Mellody Hobson: When investors head for the exit, run to the fire
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In this episode of Masters of Scale, host Bob Safian sits down with Melody Hobson, co-CEO of Ariel Investments and a prominent board leader, to explore her counterintuitive approach to investing amid global uncertainty. Hobson reframes volatility not as a threat but as an opportunity, likening herself and her team to firefighters who rush into 'burning buildings'—i.e., undervalued companies during market crashes. She emphasizes the importance of long-term thinking, emotional discipline, and avoiding market timing, advocating for strategies like dollar-cost averaging and the mantra 'math has no opinion.' Beyond investing, Hobson discusses her bold bet on women's sports through Project Level, arguing that the sector is at a generational inflection point with massive upside potential and profound cultural impact. She ties this to her broader mission of inclusion, drawing parallels between Project Black and her advocacy for diversity, even amid growing political resistance. Hobson defines bravery as standing by your values despite fear, citing John Lewis and her own life as examples. She also champions storytelling as a critical business skill, capable of driving change in ways data alone cannot.
Volatility is an opportunity, not a threat—use market downturns to buy quality assets at bargain prices.
Avoid making major life or financial decisions during emotional stress; let data and discipline guide you.
Financial literacy is a foundational life skill—ask questions like you would about your child’s health.
Investing in women’s sports is not just financially smart but a powerful lever for leadership development and inclusion.
Bravery in business means standing by your values even when it’s uncomfortable or risky.
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Volatility as Opportunity: The Firefighter Mindset
“We say volatility is our friend. If we are not selling, we are getting the opportunity to buy value.”
Financial Literacy and the Power of Questions
“I need to make sure I do the exact same thing when it comes to my money, be it at the bank with interest rates or the mortgage documents or the investment portfolio.”
“Women's sports are the small caps of sports. We are at an inflection point in sports once in a generation.”
“Courage is not the absence of fear. We know that it's just overcoming it.”
“I don't have to be combative. I can just be logical and authentic in my perspective. And if that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's on you.”
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Melody Hobson
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Ariel Investments
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Project Level
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Project Black
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John Lewis
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George Lucas
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Warren Buffett
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New York Liberty
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Real Madrid
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Denver Broncos
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