Mike Schuppan: Why Great Engineers Don't Chase Perfection
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In this episode of the Master Your Mix podcast, host Mike Indovina interviews renowned engineer Mike Chupan, known for his work with artists like Paramore, M83, Lady Gaga, and Ziggy Marley. Chupan shares his philosophy on engineering, emphasizing adaptability over perfection. He reveals that he actively avoids becoming 'the best' in any one genre or technique, as he believes that mastery can lead to stagnation and closed-mindedness. Instead, he prioritizes continuous learning, creative flexibility, and collaboration with artists. His workflow is built on meticulous session organization—using color-coding, consistent track placement, and intentional mic placement—while also embracing over-engineering during tracking to preserve creative options. He discusses how he balances minimalism with maximalism depending on the song, and how he uses feedback from trusted peers like Cassidy Turbin to know when a mix is truly done. Chupan also stresses the importance of listening to the artist, not just the gear, and how his mindset evolved from a frustrated musician to a collaborative engineer who values process over perfection. The episode concludes with a powerful takeaway: the most successful engineers aren't those chasing perfection, but those who stay curious, adaptable, and open to growth.
Avoid the trap of becoming 'the best'—it leads to closed-mindedness and stagnation. Stay open to learning and evolving.
Build systems (like session organization and intentional mic placement) that increase speed and flexibility, not rigidity.
Track with creative options in mind—even if you don’t use them, having them gives you freedom later.
Use trusted peers to get actionable feedback, not just vague opinions, to know when a mix is truly done.
Mix with the final product in mind—think about the mix during tracking, not just after.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Problem of Chasing Sounds
Mike Indovina opens the episode by addressing the common frustration of engineers getting stuck in endless tweaking and overcomplicating their mixes. He introduces his plugin company, Carve Audio, as a solution to streamline the process and help engineers land on the right sound faster.
Mike Chupan: The Engineer Who Doesn’t Want to Be the Best
“I never want to be the best. I want to be very good and deliver a good product, but you know, my goal is to not be the best. Like it's just, that sounds so boring to me.”
From Musician to Engineer: A Turning Point
Chupan recounts his journey from playing in bands to becoming an engineer, triggered by a frustrating experience with a dismissive engineer. He realized he wanted to be the kind of engineer who listens to artists and helps them achieve their vision, not one who imposes their own ego.
Session Organization and the Power of Intentional Over-Engineering
“It's more of like an exciting thing of like, okay, cool. We're, we're doing this and like, okay, if I have these super far room mics for the drums, I have that in case the production shifts.”
Working with Producers: Trust, Flexibility, and Creative Collaboration
Chupan discusses his long-term collaboration with producer Justin Meldel-Johnson, emphasizing trust, shared vision, and the importance of being a creative partner. He shares how working with legends like Carlos de la Garza shaped his drum recording skills and how he learned to adapt to different genres.
“I never want to be the best. I want to be very good and deliver a good product, but you know, my goal is to not be the best. Like it's just, that sounds so boring to me.”
“I think I would be so bored if I only did one genre of music. It's like being an expert in something. I never want to be an expert in something because I feel like I would be so bored.”
“It's not about him not caring about quality. He absolutely cares about quality and he gets the quality that he needs. But the moment you think you've started to master something, that's when you stop adapting.”
Host
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Mike Chupan
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Mike Indovina
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Master Your Mix
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Paramore
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M83
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Ziggy Marley
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Carve Audio
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Justin Meldel-Johnson
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Amplitude
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Carlos de la Garza
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